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Thanks.  That seemed more like facts, but who to really know.
All I know is about the local ethanol plants in our area and the farming in our area. The stuff on the net is anybodys guess. You can search and find what you want on the net. Said to say it don't have to be true.
Kind of like wickipedia. Most schools don't allow its use for research because there is so much fake and flase stuff on it. Of course something where any tom, dick, and harry can post and post it as facts and truths, even when not has got to be watched closely.
----- Original Message ----- From: "drwar" <drwar@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "'jack zaner'" <jz@xxxxxxxxx>; "'Gary Fritz'" <fritz@xxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: RES: stock to buy- GPRE



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-----Original Message-----
From: jack zaner [mailto:jz@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 3:55 PM
To: Gary Fritz; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: RES: stock to buy- GPRE
I read today in the San Diego Union Tribune that it takes up to 2000 gal. of
water to produce 1 gal. of ethanol. The point of the editorial was that the 

ethanol experiment is a failed one and that the quicker we admit it the
faster we can shift assets toward more productive endeavors.  All in all,
the ROI is not good so far.
Jack.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Fritz" <fritz@xxxxxxxx> 
To: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: RES: stock to buy- GPRE



>The Brazilian ethanol production is 8x more energy efficient than corn
>ethanol.

Interesting, I didn't know that.  I wonder what's different about
growing and harvesting corn that makes sugar cane more economical?


I believe there are several factors:
* Growing sugar cane is a less energy-intensive process than growing corn. 

* Sugar cane contains more sugar than corn.  :-)  The ethanol process
converts sugar into ethanol, so a high-sugar source is more efficient.
Corn
contains starches that must first be converted into sugars, and this cuts
the
efficiency by about 30%.


I observe, also, that the whole political push behind ethanol is
based on the idea of U.S. energy independence.  We rely on the
middle east now for oil; switching to relying on Brazil for ethanol
doesn't really solve the dependency problem.


I don't think we could.  Brazil consumes most of its ethanol production
and
still consumes 2,000,000bbl/day of oil.  Even so, it exports about 1
billion
gallons (not barrels) of ethanol a year -- still a drop in the bucket
compared
to the US energy demand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil has more info,
including a
claim that Brazillian ethanol production has an energy balance of 8-10.
Not
sure how accurate the "up to 35x" claim is.


I suppose the U.S. could ramp up its sugar cane production, though it
would be at the expense of other crops.


I believe efficient cane production requires tropical or subtropical
conditions,
which are not well met in the US other than Hawaii and maybe Florida.  We
can grow sugar beets but I suspect that suffers from the same expensive
growing process that corn does.

Gary





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