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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Correction:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The wavetraiders newsgroup solicitation was not posted
here. It was posted on misc.invest.futures.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Henry R. Heiczereder <<A
href="mailto:heicz@xxxxxxxxx";>heicz@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To: </B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:43 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Re: Where
are... {02}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The only comment that I can make is that I
joined a newsgroup for about a week and got tired of listening(reading) to
the top guys there about how good they were. I quit last night.
One of the guys was Bryce Gilmore. And they are like gods. I
wonder if I could get a little carpentry work off of those guys because I
think that they need to be in a room by themselves so that they can bask in
their glory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>Waves be sacred
man. The caretaker of the newsgroup(not Bryce) said that he makes a
living trading. In the next sentence he said that he gives 'all' his
money to charity. He also suggested that any new members send $120 to
his address in Washington so that he could give this to the poor. This
was posted on this NG about 8 - 10 days ago. Later the boys on the NG
figured out that some dickhead had posted it. I asked the caretaker of
the group(let's call him the custodian) if this post was accurate. He
said that everything was accurate except there was one phrase that wasn't
accurate and that was: 'dickheads need not sign on to this NG.'
So his solicitation of funds to help the poor(supply money to surgeons in
Kosovo so that they could get supplies etc.) was true. Like I'll give
to whom I want and when I want. They be wingnuts 'n shit over
there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Henry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original
Message-----</B><BR><B>From: </B>Scot Billington <<A
href="mailto:scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>scot.billington@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B><A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:07 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[RT] Where
are... {01}<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...Gann and Gilmore's enormous fortunes. Gann,
who allegedly made $50<BR>million in the 20s-30s trading futures, would
have a fortune of $1.6 billion<BR>if it earned 6% from then until
now. Where is all this money? Gilmore has<BR>been around
selling books, seminars, and programs for over 10 years. He
has<BR>obviously sold tons of them as it has kept him alive. Out
of all of those<BR>students, why are none of them big time money
managers today? I am looking<BR>for one disciple. Before
anyone starts in on the regular retorts, which I<BR>ADMIT have SOME
merit, do not forget that 15 years ago Dennis and Eckhardt<BR>taught
their methods to 24 people and 4 of them are among the largest
CTAs<BR>in the world today. Both the teachers are too. How
many gazillions of<BR>people have read Gann books and Gilmore's
stuff? Are any of them successful<BR>CTAs? Out of all the
authors and experts on Gann, why are none of them<BR>money
managers? Why do they continue to sell books? I could see
selling<BR>some to finance a trading nest egg, but the authors and names
are the same.<BR>A lot of them do well in letter writing contests and
some even win little<BR>trading tournaments. I don't doubt that
there will be multiple replies to<BR>this talking about the author's
600% return in two weeks after drawing a<BR>Gann angle (which by the way
crosses different points depending on the size<BR>of your graph paper
and how much you assign to each box.). None of those<BR>repliers
will have been successful over 10 years. None will have an
NFA<BR>audited track record. They will be plenty mad and plenty
sure of<BR>themselves.<BR><BR>There are certainly an infinite number of
ways to make money in the markets.<BR>I am open to the possibility that
ANY type of method could produce an edge.<BR>I'll test anything.
Some of you should perhaps open your mind to the<BR>possibility that
Gann/Gilmore/Elliott Wave/Time and price etc. do not create<BR>an edge
and merely produce random trades. Many of your successful
examples<BR>are the ultimate form of curve
fitting.<BR><BR>sb<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Adam Hefner wrote:
> I am not a Gann expert, but it is my understanding that Gann developed his
> geometry methods early in his career, and didn't use astrology until his
> later years......so I question the "First and foremost".
>
> Adam Hefner,
My source of information is someone who was Gann's partner for 10 years and
his father worked with Gann before he did. Both son and father were Astrologers.
What is your source of information?
Anyone read "Tunnel Thru The Air"? It is a gold mine of hidden Astrological
patterns. It tells what Astrological patterns Gann used to trade the markets.
But, you have to know enough Astrology to be able to check out Gann's dates in
an ephemeris. This book has been fully decoded by Bonnie Hill on video via a
lecture she gave about 3 years ago.
Cosmically,
Norman
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nwinski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:03 PM
> Subject: [RT] Re: Gen: Keep it quiet. {02}
>
> >
> >
> > Brent wrote:
> >
> > > I have been reading one of Gann's books I'm astounded by just the few
> things
> > > that I've read in the first 50 pages. I have been writing indicators to
> test
> > > these things and I can't hardly believe my eyes. No one must actually
> read
> > > this stuff. I never hear anyone talk about it. I'm seriously thinking of
> > > throwing all my old analysis away. I didn't think much about Gann until
> I
> > > figured out how to put Gann angles on charts. After that I could see
> that
> > > there might be something to it. I'm just dumbfounded.
> > >
> > > Brent,
> >
> > Just wait until you add Astrology to your analysis. First and
> foremost,
> > Gann was an Astrology.
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> >
> > Norman
> >
> >
> >
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