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If I can weigh in again here. Does all the 
quantifying of trading stocks really pay off?
I compare it to analyzing a plume of smoke and 
saying " well if this happens then I will do this and if that doesn't work I 
will bail out here. The hardest part of this ( and maybe the easiest to a person 
smarter than me) is to explain why you cant quantify something that is basically 
random. Now don't get me wrong I didn't say you cant use TA. I just don't 
believe that you can use the systems in MS.  All this code and crap is 
just "something to aspire to" all the while the information is right in 
front of you if you can see it.  So if you don't need the crap built in 
than don't waste your time reading the manual! 
Regards Martin B
 
 
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  Ariel Devulsky 
  
  To: <A 
  title=Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  href="">Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  
  Sent: November 22, 2003 3:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Metastockusers] Re: Group 
  benefits and Whining
  
  Why not send the rules list or create rules and 
  send to new menbers?
   
   
   
  Read The Fuckinī 
  Manual!
   
   
   
   
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    >From: 
    manohohman 
    
    To: <A 
    title=Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    href="">Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    
    Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 3:40 
    PM
    Subject: [Metastockusers] Re: Group 
    benefits and Whining
    Kevin, I agree completely with Martin's post. On this 
    site and the other Metastock site there are too many people who won't 
    bother to look in the manual or use the help screen and it's not because 
    they don't think to do it, they just don't want to "think" 
    period.In addition, a lot of people think everything should be 
    "free" and if it's not, they'll try to find some place to steal it from. 
    These people want to be "traders". If you're willing to lose your 
    capital account but spend nothing on your education, you're not a 
    trader, you're a moron. I post on this and the other site 
    constantly. I get a lot of email wanting questions answered, or my 
    entire trading system, or help learning to trade, or emails that are 
    filled with general insults. They all want "free" help, but the help 
    isn't free. It costs me a lot of time and my time is valuable. Ninety 
    percent of the people who are asking me for stuff don't treat my time 
    like it's valuable. In fact, if I tell them in a polite way that I can't 
    help them learn to trade, or I'm not going to give away my systems 
    unless they have something to share, I usually get a terse response 
    implying something nasty about my character. Many of the emails 
    I receive act as if they have a right to answers because this is a MS 
    support group. That's BS. Kevin, you are right, no one has to answer any 
    body's question. I've made the mistake of answering some that I should 
    have skipped, and I wound up paying for it. I would appreciate 
    it if you would do what I've been doing. Start posting all kinds of 
    references, indicator code, systems code, answering people's programming 
    problems, etc. and then you'll get to see what I've been seeing 
    everyday, and you won't like it. Martin may not have been eloquent, 
    but he was right. Newbie's get pissed off when I, or someone else, tell 
    them to read the manual or use the help screen. They fire back a nasty 
    email saying they tried to read the manual but what they want to know is 
    not in there. Huffy, huffy, huffy. In addition to my career, I spent 30 
    years as a college professor at 4 different universities. In the last 
    ten years, I've seen the same thing. Students don't want to bother 
    reading anything, or researching to find their own answers. I'm suppose 
    to tell them everything they need to know, and I should never ask them a 
    question on an exam I didn't tell them the answer too! Well here's an 
    answer. Get off your lazy ass, put your brain in gear, or learn to say 
    "Would you like that supersized," sir?I wonder how these people 
    think I learned to program, or where all the references I post come 
    from. I guess I just woke up with them on my pillow. I worked 17 hours 
    yesterday. Six hours trading, and eleven hours testing equations I found 
    in reference books. In a few days I'll get tons of requests wanting me 
    to tell them what I found so they don't have to spend 11 hours 
    themselves. Some of what I learned I might share, and some of it I 
    won't. Whatever I choose to share is a gift.  Sure there 
    are some great people on here, and on the other board. I correspond with 
    some of them. We exchange ideas, code and systems. WE 
    EXCHANGE!Everytime I've asked anyone on here to share their 
    systems or code, even if it isn't good, they decline. Surprise, 
    surprise, surprise. Their work is too important, or secret, to share. 
    I've done a number of postings lately trying to elevate the amount 
    of discussion, references, sharing, and exchanging that goes on on this 
    board, and the other one, so the board is not merely a forum for 
    people who can't read. There has been a slight increase in the 
    amount of sharing but it's not nearly where it should be. I'll 
    keep posting as long as I feel I have the time and energy, but I'm also 
    going to speak my mind about some of the garbage that goes on. It mostly 
    falls on deaf years I know, but that's okay because I've given away 
    enough that once in-a-while I get to 
    whine.JO--- In 
    Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Kevin <kevin_barry@xxxx> 
    wrote:> Hello Martin,> > I think that your posting is a 
    little unfair. I am not sure if you are > referring to any group 
    members in particular but I must say that no > postings on this forum 
    in recent times have evoked anything close to a > similar 
    reaction in me. Sure, there are often questions posted that could 
    > be answered by looking in the respective manual but, in my 
    experience, not > everybody automatically thinks of doing that. 
    Indeed, the apparently > obvious questions are sometimes quite 
    thought-provoking and, personally > speaking, I have got answers 
    here to questions that I would never even have > thought of 
    asking.> > There is no obligation to respond to any posting 
    and the nature of the post > is more often than not pretty 
    obvious immediately. So, if it is going to be > an irritation to 
    you, why not just delete it immediately? What impresses me > are 
    the regular contributors who are quick to respond to pleas for help, 
    > however simple or stupid, and are extremely generous with their 
    knowledge > and experience. Without the questions, the rest of us 
    might never get to > hear these guys speak.> > I 
    also get the impression that you are a little contemptuous of people who 
    > seem to be asking for something for nothing. Personally, I am in 
    complete > agreement with what I think that you are saying, i.e. 
    if one uses tools in > order to make money then those tools 
    should be paid for. However, you may > not realise that, in 
    addition to people who trade professionally or > part-time, there are 
    many people who are attracted to the idea of trading > and enjoy 
    associating with the trading community, hobby-traders if you > 
    like, who do not actually trade. There is a chap who attends my 
    investment > club meetings who has an in-depth knowledge of the 
    market and is an expert > in several trading techniques. He 
    occasionally lectures on various subjects > and he is actually 
    pretty good at it. He has never placed a trade in his > life. Do 
    I begrudge him collecting a bit of free software, downloading free 
    > end-of-day prices and playing around with them in his spare time? 
    No. As > far as I can see, people like him are doing none of us 
    any harm whatsoever.> > A forum such as this needs lots of 
    input at all levels in order to stay > alive. I sincerely hope 
    that nobody is ever reluctant to post because they > think that 
    their contribution may not be worthy.> > Viva la 
    difference.> > Regards,> Kevin> > At 
    12:29 22/11/2003 +0000, you wrote:> >> >Hi 
    folks,> >> >in my opinion to share is just fair. 
    Everyone that is a member of> >this group should try to contribute 
    to the benefits of the whole> >group, not just ask (simple and 
    stupid stuff) and take. This doen't> >not mean that a newbie 
    shouldn't post his or her questions. But what> >about first 
    trying to solve the problem by yourself and show the> >group the 
    results of this effort and then ask the question.> >> 
    >But now FREE - for all of you not wanting to share and just 
    begging> >for 'free stuff':> >> >John Slauson 
    from Adaptick is giving away for free> >> >Adaptick 
    Trend Index> >Adaptick Pivot Volume indicator> >Adaptick 
    Volume Acceleration Index> >17-page Adobe PDF Manual for reference 
    and intepretation> >> ><A 
    href="">http://www.adaptick.com/3-pack/index.html> 
    >> >pretty useful and - did I mention it - free (you dont have 
    to> >contribute ;-)!> >> >Martin> 
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