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Kevin, I agree completely with Martin's post. On this site and the
other Metastock site there are too many people who won't bother to
look in the manual or use the help screen and it's not because they
don't think to do it, they just don't want to "think" period.
In addition, a lot of people think everything should be "free" and if
it's not, they'll try to find some place to steal it from. These
people want to be "traders". If you're willing to lose your capital
account but spend nothing on your education, you're not a trader,
you're a moron.
I post on this and the other site constantly. I get a lot of email
wanting questions answered, or my entire trading system, or help
learning to trade, or emails that are filled with general insults.
They all want "free" help, but the help isn't free. It costs me a lot
of time and my time is valuable. Ninety percent of the people who are
asking me for stuff don't treat my time like it's valuable. In fact,
if I tell them in a polite way that I can't help them learn to trade,
or I'm not going to give away my systems unless they have something
to share, I usually get a terse response implying something nasty
about my character.
Many of the emails I receive act as if they have a right to answers
because this is a MS support group. That's BS. Kevin, you are right,
no one has to answer any body's question. I've made the mistake of
answering some that I should have skipped, and I wound up paying for
it.
I would appreciate it if you would do what I've been doing. Start
posting all kinds of references, indicator code, systems code,
answering people's programming problems, etc. and then you'll get to
see what I've been seeing everyday, and you won't like it.
Martin may not have been eloquent, but he was right. Newbie's get
pissed off when I, or someone else, tell them to read the manual or
use the help screen. They fire back a nasty email saying they tried
to read the manual but what they want to know is not in there. Huffy,
huffy, huffy. In addition to my career, I spent 30 years as a college
professor at 4 different universities. In the last ten years, I've
seen the same thing. Students don't want to bother reading anything,
or researching to find their own answers. I'm suppose to tell them
everything they need to know, and I should never ask them a question
on an exam I didn't tell them the answer too! Well here's an answer.
Get off your lazy ass, put your brain in gear, or learn to say "Would
you like that supersized," sir?
I wonder how these people think I learned to program, or where all
the references I post come from. I guess I just woke up with them on
my pillow. I worked 17 hours yesterday. Six hours trading, and eleven
hours testing equations I found in reference books. In a few days
I'll get tons of requests wanting me to tell them what I found so
they don't have to spend 11 hours themselves. Some of what I learned
I might share, and some of it I won't. Whatever I choose to share is
a gift.
Sure there are some great people on here, and on the other board. I
correspond with some of them. We exchange ideas, code and systems. WE
EXCHANGE!
Everytime I've asked anyone on here to share their systems or code,
even if it isn't good, they decline. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Their work is too important, or secret, to share.
I've done a number of postings lately trying to elevate the amount of
discussion, references, sharing, and exchanging that goes on on this
board, and the other one, so the board is not merely a forum for
people who can't read.
There has been a slight increase in the amount of sharing but it's
not nearly where it should be.
I'll keep posting as long as I feel I have the time and energy, but
I'm also going to speak my mind about some of the garbage that goes
on. It mostly falls on deaf years I know, but that's okay because
I've given away enough that once in-a-while I get to whine.
JO
--- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Kevin <kevin_barry@xxxx> wrote:
> Hello Martin,
>
> I think that your posting is a little unfair. I am not sure if you
are
> referring to any group members in particular but I must say that no
> postings on this forum in recent times have evoked anything close
to a
> similar reaction in me. Sure, there are often questions posted that
could
> be answered by looking in the respective manual but, in my
experience, not
> everybody automatically thinks of doing that. Indeed, the
apparently
> obvious questions are sometimes quite thought-provoking and,
personally
> speaking, I have got answers here to questions that I would never
even have
> thought of asking.
>
> There is no obligation to respond to any posting and the nature of
the post
> is more often than not pretty obvious immediately. So, if it is
going to be
> an irritation to you, why not just delete it immediately? What
impresses me
> are the regular contributors who are quick to respond to pleas for
help,
> however simple or stupid, and are extremely generous with their
knowledge
> and experience. Without the questions, the rest of us might never
get to
> hear these guys speak.
>
> I also get the impression that you are a little contemptuous of
people who
> seem to be asking for something for nothing. Personally, I am in
complete
> agreement with what I think that you are saying, i.e. if one uses
tools in
> order to make money then those tools should be paid for. However,
you may
> not realise that, in addition to people who trade professionally or
> part-time, there are many people who are attracted to the idea of
trading
> and enjoy associating with the trading community, hobby-traders if
you
> like, who do not actually trade. There is a chap who attends my
investment
> club meetings who has an in-depth knowledge of the market and is an
expert
> in several trading techniques. He occasionally lectures on various
subjects
> and he is actually pretty good at it. He has never placed a trade
in his
> life. Do I begrudge him collecting a bit of free software,
downloading free
> end-of-day prices and playing around with them in his spare time?
No. As
> far as I can see, people like him are doing none of us any harm
whatsoever.
>
> A forum such as this needs lots of input at all levels in order to
stay
> alive. I sincerely hope that nobody is ever reluctant to post
because they
> think that their contribution may not be worthy.
>
> Viva la difference.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
> At 12:29 22/11/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> >Hi folks,
> >
> >in my opinion to share is just fair. Everyone that is a member of
> >this group should try to contribute to the benefits of the whole
> >group, not just ask (simple and stupid stuff) and take. This doen't
> >not mean that a newbie shouldn't post his or her questions. But
what
> >about first trying to solve the problem by yourself and show the
> >group the results of this effort and then ask the question.
> >
> >But now FREE - for all of you not wanting to share and just begging
> >for 'free stuff':
> >
> >John Slauson from Adaptick is giving away for free
> >
> >Adaptick Trend Index
> >Adaptick Pivot Volume indicator
> >Adaptick Volume Acceleration Index
> >17-page Adobe PDF Manual for reference and intepretation
> >
> >http://www.adaptick.com/3-pack/index.html
> >
> >pretty useful and - did I mention it - free (you dont have to
> >contribute ;-)!
> >
> >Martin
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> >
> >
> >
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