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Bill You can get daily updates from TC2000 at 8pm.
The cost is less and the data clean. You get fundamental data and can
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downloaded directly into MS. TC also has daily commentary on selected issues. I
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Bill Irwin
To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 1:51
AM
Subject: RE: vv COST
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class=251574906-24122000>Thanks Gene. Now that I see it I remember
seeing it on the site, but it wasn't obvious that there was no additional cost
for the program. Wouldn't it be nice if MS was free as long as we got
data from Reuter's? No, now that I think about it, I'd rather have the
software independant of the data source ... more freedom.
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size=2>-----Original Message-----From:
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Gene RicciSent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:33
PMTo: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: vv
COST
Bill, here's the cost.
Gene
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<FONT face=Tahoma color=#000066
size=4>Version 5.0 with Daily Updates<FONT
face=Tahoma>$49.00 per month
<FONT face=Tahoma color=#000066
size=4>Version 5.0 with Daily Updates$545
for 12 months
<FONT face=Tahoma color=#000066
size=4>Version 5.0 with Weekly Updates<FONT
face=Tahoma>$39.00 per month
<FONT face=Tahoma color=#000066
size=4>Version 5.0 with Weekly Updates<FONT
face=Tahoma>$445 for 12 months
----- Original Message -----
From: <A
title=Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx href="mailto:Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx";>Bill Irwin
To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: VV timing
Neo, what did VV cost? I wandered all over their site
and couldn't find aprice.Bill> -----Original
Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of neo> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 11:03 AM> To:
metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: VV timing>>> Tom>> You
really have to look at Dr. D's latest calls, the timing> system and
the> comments on the VV board. He has been long the past 3
months> even though all> his signals are short. He is now
having people sell on> various MA's instead> of the sell
signal. His system worked well during the recent> bull market>
(what didn't) but is not working now.>> I have had the program
for 6 months. It took about 2 to find> out his timing> and
strategies did not work. I have since spent a great deal> of time
with MS> developing my own timing system and my own strategies in
VV> which in back> testing are highly profitable. I am fine
tuning all this as> well as my exits> and expect to go live
after the first. We will see what> happens with real>
money.>>> -----Original Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom Sprunger> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:48
AM> To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: VV timing>>> neo, I looked at all the
market (nasdaq is the proxy) turns> in the last> three years
that were greater than 15%. VV hit them all, but> many of
them> weren't called until it was obvious the trend had
changed> by the time VV> MKT Trend indicator called a top
the NASDAQ had already> dropped an average> of 7%. by the time
it called a bottom the DAQ had already> risen an average> of
21%). So, they can call them but they aren't necessarily>
"timely" in the> calls. In my opinion, the word "timely" is the
key and they> don't make any> claims (that I am aware
of) as to how timely the call is.>> For indivdual stocks I had
worse results with VV. By the> time VV gave a> sell
signal, the average stock had already dropped an average> of 22% and
by> the time it gave a buy signal it had already risen an
average> of 30%. This> doesn't mean you can't make money
with VV, just that there> are ways to make> more
money.>> So, that is my basis for saying there are many ways
to do> better on timing> of individual stocks. I have
assumed in my comments that this being a> Metastock board, most
readers were advanced way beyond the VV> timing system> for
individual stocks. But as you say, each person should> develop
his own> strategies to make money and use whatever makes her/him
comfortable.>> By the way, care to share how VV has done for
you this year?> Are you in the> black? Your input on
this might help me change mine and> others opinion on>
VV.>> Tom> ----- Original Message -----> From:
"neo" <neo1@xxxxxxxxx>> To:
<<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 7:36 PM> Subject: RE: VV
timing>>> > It depends on how you studied their
timing. Their published> results do not> > agree with the
calls they made at the time. They fudge> their published> >
timing calls in hindsight to made it look good. Many users> have
studied> this> > including myself.> >>
> Although their timing system is poor it is the best system> for
picking> > stocks that I have found but you have to develop your
own> strategies.> >> >> > -----Original
Message-----> > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom Sprunger> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:09
PM> > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: VV timing> >> >> > I have
studied VV timing claims and found they do do pretty> well on
timing> > the market. That isIF/WHEN they make a call, its
right.> Sometimes its> > obvious though by the time they
make the call. However,> they don't do so> > well on
timing individual stocks. Their stock timing> system is
basically> a> > 65 day (if I remember correctlyl) Moving
Average with some> kind of magic> > accelerator. From
my analysis, it comes out to be about> the same as a 50> >
day MA crossover. You can do better with simple trend lines.>
>> > Tom> > ----- Original Message -----> >
From: "David DeFina" <<A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> >
To: <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:10 AM> > Subject: RE: To
MetaStock Re: Portfolio Tester> >> >> > >
Neo:> > >> > > I Have a copy of VectorVest, but
haven't been able to> find any 3rd party> > >
recommendations on its usefulness. I didn't want to waste time
on> > something> > > that doesn't have value.
They say they've called every> major market> turn> >
> for so many years, but I couldn't tell if that was from> back
testing or> > real> > > time? Have you had a
good experience with it, or know of> a group of> happy>
> > users? Thanks, Dave D.> > >> >
>> > > <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
> > Behalf Of neo> > > Sent: Dec 22, 2000 5:45 AM>
> > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: To MetaStock Re: Portfolio Tester> >
>> > > Take a look at VectorVest.> > >>
> > -----Original Message-----> > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of David DeFina> > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000
6:05 PM> > > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> >
> Importance: High> > >> > >> > >
I second the suggestion of being able to system test> multiple stocks
at> > > once.> > >> > > It would also
be nice to run an "expert" report on> multiple stocks and>
> have> > > a summary page print with commentaries,
etc.> > >> > > Dave DeFina> > > <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
> > Behalf Of Bill Irwin> > > Sent: Dec 21, 2000 12:38
PM> > > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> >
>> > > How about making it an option that a user can choose
to> turn on, or not.> > I> > > know with a 600
Mhz P3 I'd far rather have my> Explorations take twice as>
> > long than spend all the extra time applying attributes>
after the fact.> > The> > > faster the PC the less
impact on the user.> > >> > > Thanks for giving us
some faint hope here. While we're at it, any> chance>
> at> > > all that we'll see a System test that can work on
a> portfolio of stocks?> > > What I visualize is a stock
level report screen that> shows the most> > > profitable
stock from the run. A double click on the> stock would
take> us> > to> > > the current report screen
with all the permutations, if> optimization was> > >
used. This would be an excellent way of finding the> stocks
that respond> > > well to a particular System.> >
>> > > Thanks again for the input.> > >>
> > Bill> > >> > > > -----Original
Message-----> > > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of PD Manager> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 21,
2000 9:55 AM> > > > To: <A
href="mailto:'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'">'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'>
> > > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator>
> > >> > > >> > > > J.> >
> >> > > > Hint taken.> > > >>
> > > We have been exploring this possibility for quite
awhile. It> > > > MAY possibly> > > >
show up in a future version, but I'm making no promises. The>
> > > problem with> > > > adding the capability to
manipulate attributes in a formula> > > > (color,
style> > > > etc) is that it will slow down the native
number crunching> > > > capability of the> > >
> formulas.> > > >> > > > If we add this
ability to the formula language, it will only> > > > be done
if we> > > > can minimize the impact on basic mathematical
operation> performance.> > > >> > > >
Ken Hunt> > > > Programming Manager> > > >
Equis International> > > >> > > >>
> > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: j
seed [<A
href="mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:05 AM> > >
> To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator>
> > >> > > >> > > > Dave,>
> > > I am completely lost with your explanation. I know
that> I can plot a> > > > multicolored
oscillator...green for increasing and red for> > > >
declining simply> > > > by using an if statement to plot or
not plot(value zero).> > > > This works with an> >
> >> > > > oscillator simply because I can plot to a
value of zero. I> > > > can also plot a> > >
> third indicator simply by adding a moving average into the> >
> > formula. This> > > > still requires that I
manually select the colors that I> > > > desire for each
and> > > > yes I can simply this operation by assigning all
of this to a> > > > template.> > > > But...I
still cannot assign the color in the formula which is> > > >
what I thought> > > >> > > > the question
was(wouldn't that be nice! Metastock can you> > > > take a
hint?).> > > > Beyond this point your explanation has me
lost. So...if you> > > > don't mind would> > >
>> > > > you give us some more detail?> > >
>> > > > J.> > > >> > >
>> > > > >From: Dave Nadeau <<A
href="mailto:dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx";>dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > >Reply-To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot
indicator> > > > >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:18:50
-0700> > > > >> > > > >Bill,>
> > > >> > > > >There is a faster way.
You'll need to use a very structured> > > >
approach.> > > > >> > > > >Start with
a custom formula with three lines which are> > > > something
like this:> > > > >> > > >
>LineA:=<time period one>;> > > >
>LineB:=<time period two>;> > > >
>LineC:=<time period three>;> > > >
>Mov(C,LineA,S); Mov(C,LineB,S);Mov(C,LineC,S)> > > >
>...> > > > >> > > > >You can later
change these to OPT1, OPT2, and OPT3 in your> > > > system
test.> > > > >> > > > >Build your next
formula based on the first, and give signals> > > > for
enter,> > > > >short, exit, etc. as 1,2,3,4 or something
like that.> > > > >Then a third formula(Indicator3),
based on the second,> would use> > > >
>Barssince(<your long signal>)<Barssince(<your short>
signal>) AND> > > > >Barssince(<your long
signal>)<Barssince(<your exit signal>)> > > > =
1 for long or> > > >> > > > >=-1 for
short and =0 for out.> > > > >> > > >
>Then you can create a fourth custom indicator based on this,>
> > > the equity> > > > >line. This
one says, Cum(If(Indicator3=1,Open-Ref(Open,-> > > >
>1),If(Indicator3=-1,-1*(Open-Ref(Open,-1),0).> > > >
>> > > > >Now you've got four indicators based on
those three variable> > > > definitions> > >
> >which are easy to change. You can run an exploration
with> > > > >this equity line to guage the performance
across a portfolio> > > > of stocks.> > > >
>> > > > >You can write an expert that is based on the
formulas and a> > > > template. Your> > >
>> > > > >arrows for exits and entries as well as the
lines> > > > >themselves will adjust whenever you go back
to adjust those> > > > three first> > > >
>lines of the first indicator.> > > > >> >
> > >You can also run a new exploration once you've
adjusted> > > > those three values> > > >
>in the formula. You can do this as many times as you'd>
> > > >like.> > > > >> > > >
>I hope this explanation makes sense. I'm happy to clarify.>
> > > It is quicker,> > > >> > > >
>but still has some manual steps.> > > > >>
> > > >Dave Nadeau> > > > >Fort Collins,
CO> > > > >> > > > >12/20/00 10:53:21
AM, "Bill Irwin" <<A
href="mailto:Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx";>Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx> wrote:>
> > > >> > > > > >Thanks Frans & Steve
for the suggestion. Maybe if> I'd more fully> > >
> >explained> > > > > >what I'm doing perhaps
another method is available, and> > > > would be
better.> > > > > >I'm working on a System that's based
on this triple plot.> > > > I'm going to> > >
> >be> > > > > >optimizing the values of this
triple MA and, after the> > > > test, observe the>
> > > > >most profitable scenario.> > > >
> >> > > > > >What I'd really like is for the
System tester to plot the> > > > triple MA (in 3>
> > > > >colours) along with the Buy/Sell/Exit signs so that
I can> > > > see the MAs> > > > >
>crossing at these triggers. As it is, it appears I'll> >
> > have to apply the> > > > > >Triple MA
Coloured Template, then adjust the lengths of> > > > the MAs
to match> > > > >the> > > > >
>winning System (after digging into the winning System to> >
> > see the values> > > > >of> > >
> > >OPT1/2/3 in a window that can't be sized to avoid the>
> > > extra step and time> > > >> > >
> >of> > > > > >scrolling). This doesn't
make for a speedy review of a> > > > given System>
> > > >across> > > > > >many charts.
Of course, having to run the System test on> > > > each
individual> > > > > >chart (rather than on a
selection, as in an Exploration)> > > > is what
really> > > > > >takes the time.> > >
> > >> > > > > >If there's a faster way of
doing this, please advise, and> > > > thanks again.>
> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
>Dave Nadeau> > > > >Fort Collins, CO> >
> > >> > > > >> > > >
>> > > >
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