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<SPAN
class=269520819-25122000>Norman:
<SPAN
class=269520819-25122000>Does TC2000 supply data for Canadian exchanges?
Being a Canadian those are my primary areas of interest, as well as Canadian
mutual funds. Is that 8:00 PM EST?
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<SPAN
class=269520819-25122000>Bill
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owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Norman WissSent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 8:05
AMTo: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: vv
COST
Bill You can get daily updates from TC2000 at
8pm. The cost is less and the data clean. You get fundamental data and
can search using both fundamental and technical analysis. Indices are
included. All indices and stock listings are kept up to date daily. And, the
data can be downloaded directly into MS. TC also has daily commentary on
selected issues. I also use the data for Advanced GET. Take a free 30
trial.Norm Wiss<A
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Bill
Irwin
To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 1:51
AM
Subject: RE: vv COST
<SPAN
class=251574906-24122000>Thanks Gene. Now that I see it I remember
seeing it on the site, but it wasn't obvious that there was no additional
cost for the program. Wouldn't it be nice if MS was free as long as we
got data from Reuter's? No, now that I think about it, I'd rather have
the software independant of the data source ... more
freedom.
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<FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----From:
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Gene RicciSent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:33
PMTo: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: vv
COST
Bill, here's the cost.
Gene
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Internet
Download and Direct Dial Subscription Rates
EZ-Pay
Monthly Rates
Annual
Subscription Rates
<FONT color=#000066 face=Tahoma
size=4>Version 5.0 with Daily Updates<FONT
face=Tahoma>$49.00 per month
<FONT color=#000066 face=Tahoma
size=4>Version 5.0 with Daily Updates<FONT
face=Tahoma>$545 for 12 months
<FONT color=#000066 face=Tahoma
size=4>Version 5.0 with Weekly Updates<FONT
face=Tahoma>$39.00 per month
<FONT color=#000066 face=Tahoma
size=4>Version 5.0 with Weekly Updates<FONT
face=Tahoma>$445 for 12 months
----- Original Message -----
From: <A
href="mailto:Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx"; title=Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx>Bill Irwin
To: <A href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: VV timing
Neo, what did VV cost? I wandered all over their site
and couldn't find aprice.Bill> -----Original
Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of neo> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 11:03 AM>
To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: VV timing>>> Tom>> You
really have to look at Dr. D's latest calls, the timing> system and
the> comments on the VV board. He has been long the past 3
months> even though all> his signals are short. He is now
having people sell on> various MA's instead> of the sell
signal. His system worked well during the recent> bull
market> (what didn't) but is not working now.>> I
have had the program for 6 months. It took about 2 to find> out his
timing> and strategies did not work. I have since spent a great
deal> of time with MS> developing my own timing system and
my own strategies in VV> which in back> testing are highly
profitable. I am fine tuning all this as> well as my exits>
and expect to go live after the first. We will see what> happens
with real> money.>>> -----Original
Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom Sprunger> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:48
AM> To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: VV timing>>> neo, I looked at all the
market (nasdaq is the proxy) turns> in the last> three years
that were greater than 15%. VV hit them all, but> many of
them> weren't called until it was obvious the trend had
changed> by the time VV> MKT Trend indicator called a
top the NASDAQ had already> dropped an average> of 7%. by
the time it called a bottom the DAQ had already> risen an
average> of 21%). So, they can call them but they aren't
necessarily> "timely" in the> calls. In my opinion,
the word "timely" is the key and they> don't make any>
claims (that I am aware of) as to how timely the call
is.>> For indivdual stocks I had worse results with
VV. By the> time VV gave a> sell signal, the average
stock had already dropped an average> of 22% and by> the
time it gave a buy signal it had already risen an average> of
30%. This> doesn't mean you can't make money with VV, just
that there> are ways to make> more money.>>
So, that is my basis for saying there are many ways to do> better
on timing> of individual stocks. I have assumed in my
comments that this being a> Metastock board, most readers were
advanced way beyond the VV> timing system> for individual
stocks. But as you say, each person should> develop his
own> strategies to make money and use whatever makes her/him
comfortable.>> By the way, care to share how VV has done for
you this year?> Are you in the> black? Your input on
this might help me change mine and> others opinion on>
VV.>> Tom> ----- Original Message -----> From:
"neo" <neo1@xxxxxxxxx>>
To: <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 7:36 PM> Subject: RE: VV
timing>>> > It depends on how you studied their
timing. Their published> results do not> > agree with the
calls they made at the time. They fudge> their published>
> timing calls in hindsight to made it look good. Many users>
have studied> this> > including myself.>
>> > Although their timing system is poor it is the best
system> for picking> > stocks that I have found but you
have to develop your own> strategies.> >>
>> > -----Original Message-----> > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom Sprunger> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:09
PM> > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: VV timing> >> >> > I have
studied VV timing claims and found they do do pretty> well on
timing> > the market. That isIF/WHEN they make a call, its
right.> Sometimes its> > obvious though by the time they
make the call. However,> they don't do so> > well
on timing individual stocks. Their stock timing> system
is basically> a> > 65 day (if I remember correctlyl)
Moving Average with some> kind of magic> >
accelerator. From my analysis, it comes out to be about> the
same as a 50> > day MA crossover. You can do better with
simple trend lines.> >> > Tom> > -----
Original Message -----> > From: "David DeFina" <<A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> To: <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:10 AM> > Subject: RE: To
MetaStock Re: Portfolio Tester> >> >> > >
Neo:> > >> > > I Have a copy of VectorVest, but
haven't been able to> find any 3rd party> > >
recommendations on its usefulness. I didn't want to waste time
on> > something> > > that doesn't have value.
They say they've called every> major market> turn>
> > for so many years, but I couldn't tell if that was from>
back testing or> > real> > > time? Have you
had a good experience with it, or know of> a group of>
happy> > > users? Thanks, Dave D.> >
>> > >> > > <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From:
<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
> > Behalf Of neo> > > Sent: Dec 22, 2000 5:45
AM> > > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: To MetaStock Re: Portfolio Tester> >
>> > > Take a look at VectorVest.> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From:
<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of David DeFina> > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000
6:05 PM> > > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator>
> > Importance: High> > >> > >>
> > I second the suggestion of being able to system test>
multiple stocks at> > > once.> > >> >
> It would also be nice to run an "expert" report on> multiple
stocks and> > have> > > a summary page print with
commentaries, etc.> > >> > > Dave DeFina>
> > <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From:
<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
> > Behalf Of Bill Irwin> > > Sent: Dec 21, 2000 12:38
PM> > > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator>
> >> > > How about making it an option that a user can
choose to> turn on, or not.> > I> > > know
with a 600 Mhz P3 I'd far rather have my> Explorations take twice
as> > > long than spend all the extra time applying
attributes> after the fact.> > The> > >
faster the PC the less impact on the user.> > >> >
> Thanks for giving us some faint hope here. While we're at it,
any> chance> > at> > > all that we'll see a
System test that can work on a> portfolio of stocks?> >
> What I visualize is a stock level report screen that> shows
the most> > > profitable stock from the run. A double
click on the> stock would take> us> > to>
> > the current report screen with all the permutations, if>
optimization was> > > used. This would be an excellent
way of finding the> stocks that respond> > > well to a
particular System.> > >> > > Thanks again for
the input.> > >> > > Bill> >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----> > >
> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of PD Manager> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 21,
2000 9:55 AM> > > > To: <A
href="mailto:'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'">'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'>
> > > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot
indicator> > > >> > > >> > >
> J.> > > >> > > > Hint taken.>
> > >> > > > We have been exploring this
possibility for quite awhile. It> > > > MAY
possibly> > > > show up in a future version, but I'm
making no promises. The> > > > problem with>
> > > adding the capability to manipulate attributes in a
formula> > > > (color, style> > > > etc)
is that it will slow down the native number crunching> > >
> capability of the> > > > formulas.> > >
>> > > > If we add this ability to the formula
language, it will only> > > > be done if we> >
> > can minimize the impact on basic mathematical operation>
performance.> > > >> > > > Ken
Hunt> > > > Programming Manager> > > >
Equis International> > > >> > > >>
> > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: j
seed [<A
href="mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:05 AM> >
> > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot
indicator> > > >> > > >> > >
> Dave,> > > > I am completely lost with your
explanation. I know that> I can plot a> > > >
multicolored oscillator...green for increasing and red for> >
> > declining simply> > > > by using an if statement
to plot or not plot(value zero).> > > > This works with
an> > > >> > > > oscillator simply because
I can plot to a value of zero. I> > > > can also plot
a> > > > third indicator simply by adding a moving average
into the> > > > formula. This> > > > still
requires that I manually select the colors that I> > > >
desire for each and> > > > yes I can simply this operation
by assigning all of this to a> > > > template.>
> > > But...I still cannot assign the color in the formula which
is> > > > what I thought> > > >>
> > > the question was(wouldn't that be nice! Metastock can
you> > > > take a hint?).> > > > Beyond
this point your explanation has me lost. So...if you> > >
> don't mind would> > > >> > > > you
give us some more detail?> > > >> > > >
J.> > > >> > > >> > > >
>From: Dave Nadeau <<A
href="mailto:dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx";>dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > >Reply-To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot
indicator> > > > >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:18:50
-0700> > > > >> > > > >Bill,>
> > > >> > > > >There is a faster
way. You'll need to use a very structured> > > >
approach.> > > > >> > > > >Start
with a custom formula with three lines which are> > > >
something like this:> > > > >> > > >
>LineA:=<time period one>;> > > >
>LineB:=<time period two>;> > > >
>LineC:=<time period three>;> > > >
>Mov(C,LineA,S); Mov(C,LineB,S);Mov(C,LineC,S)> > > >
>...> > > > >> > > > >You can
later change these to OPT1, OPT2, and OPT3 in your> > > >
system test.> > > > >> > > > >Build
your next formula based on the first, and give signals> > >
> for enter,> > > > >short, exit, etc. as 1,2,3,4 or
something like that.> > > > >Then a third
formula(Indicator3), based on the second,> would use> >
> > >Barssince(<your long signal>)<Barssince(<your
short> signal>) AND> > > >
>Barssince(<your long signal>)<Barssince(<your exit
signal>)> > > > = 1 for long or> > >
>> > > > >=-1 for short and =0 for out.> >
> > >> > > > >Then you can create a fourth
custom indicator based on this,> > > > the equity>
> > > >line. This one says,
Cum(If(Indicator3=1,Open-Ref(Open,-> > > >
>1),If(Indicator3=-1,-1*(Open-Ref(Open,-1),0).> > > >
>> > > > >Now you've got four indicators based on
those three variable> > > > definitions> > >
> >which are easy to change. You can run an exploration
with> > > > >this equity line to guage the performance
across a portfolio> > > > of stocks.> > >
> >> > > > >You can write an expert that is based
on the formulas and a> > > > template. Your>
> > >> > > > >arrows for exits and entries as
well as the lines> > > > >themselves will adjust
whenever you go back to adjust those> > > > three
first> > > > >lines of the first indicator.>
> > > >> > > > >You can also run a new
exploration once you've adjusted> > > > those three
values> > > > >in the formula. You can do this as
many times as you'd> > > > >like.> > >
> >> > > > >I hope this explanation makes
sense. I'm happy to clarify.> > > > It is
quicker,> > > >> > > > >but still has
some manual steps.> > > > >> > > >
>Dave Nadeau> > > > >Fort Collins, CO> >
> > >> > > > >12/20/00 10:53:21 AM, "Bill
Irwin" <<A
href="mailto:Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx";>Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >Thanks
Frans & Steve for the suggestion. Maybe if> I'd more
fully> > > > >explained> > > > >
>what I'm doing perhaps another method is available, and> >
> > would be better.> > > > > >I'm working on
a System that's based on this triple plot.> > > > I'm
going to> > > > >be> > > > >
>optimizing the values of this triple MA and, after the> >
> > test, observe the> > > > > >most
profitable scenario.> > > > > >> > >
> > >What I'd really like is for the System tester to plot
the> > > > triple MA (in 3> > > > >
>colours) along with the Buy/Sell/Exit signs so that I can> >
> > see the MAs> > > > > >crossing at these
triggers. As it is, it appears I'll> > > > have to
apply the> > > > > >Triple MA Coloured Template,
then adjust the lengths of> > > > the MAs to match>
> > > >the> > > > > >winning System
(after digging into the winning System to> > > > see the
values> > > > >of> > > > >
>OPT1/2/3 in a window that can't be sized to avoid the> >
> > extra step and time> > > >> > >
> >of> > > > > >scrolling). This doesn't
make for a speedy review of a> > > > given System>
> > > >across> > > > > >many
charts. Of course, having to run the System test on> >
> > each individual> > > > > >chart (rather
than on a selection, as in an Exploration)> > > > is what
really> > > > > >takes the time.> > >
> > >> > > > > >If there's a faster way of
doing this, please advise, and> > > > thanks
again.> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > >Dave Nadeau> > > >
>Fort Collins, CO> > > > >> > > >
>> > > > >> > > >
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