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class=251574906-24122000>Thanks Gene. Now that I see it I remember seeing
it on the site, but it wasn't obvious that there was no additional cost for the
program. Wouldn't it be nice if MS was free as long as we got data from
Reuter's? No, now that I think about it, I'd rather have the software
independant of the data source ... more freedom.
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<FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----From:
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Gene RicciSent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:33
PMTo: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: vv
COST
Bill, here's the cost.
Gene
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Internet Download
and Direct Dial Subscription Rates
EZ-Pay
Monthly Rates
Annual
Subscription Rates
Version
5.0 with Daily Updates$49.00 per month
Version
5.0 with Daily Updates$545 for 12 months
Version
5.0 with Weekly Updates$39.00 per month
Version
5.0 with Weekly Updates$445 for 12 months
----- Original Message -----
From: <A
href="mailto:Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx"; title=Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx>Bill Irwin
To: <A href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: VV timing
Neo, what did VV cost? I wandered all over their site and
couldn't find aprice.Bill> -----Original
Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of neo> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 11:03 AM> To:
metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: VV timing>>> Tom>> You really
have to look at Dr. D's latest calls, the timing> system and
the> comments on the VV board. He has been long the past 3
months> even though all> his signals are short. He is now having
people sell on> various MA's instead> of the sell signal. His
system worked well during the recent> bull market> (what didn't)
but is not working now.>> I have had the program for 6 months.
It took about 2 to find> out his timing> and strategies did not
work. I have since spent a great deal> of time with MS>
developing my own timing system and my own strategies in VV> which in
back> testing are highly profitable. I am fine tuning all this
as> well as my exits> and expect to go live after the first. We
will see what> happens with real> money.>>>
-----Original Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom Sprunger> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:48
AM> To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: VV timing>>> neo, I looked at all the market
(nasdaq is the proxy) turns> in the last> three years that were
greater than 15%. VV hit them all, but> many of them>
weren't called until it was obvious the trend had changed> by the
time VV> MKT Trend indicator called a top the NASDAQ had
already> dropped an average> of 7%. by the time it called a
bottom the DAQ had already> risen an average> of 21%). So,
they can call them but they aren't necessarily> "timely" in the>
calls. In my opinion, the word "timely" is the key and they>
don't make any> claims (that I am aware of) as to how timely the
call is.>> For indivdual stocks I had worse results with
VV. By the> time VV gave a> sell signal, the average stock
had already dropped an average> of 22% and by> the time it gave
a buy signal it had already risen an average> of 30%.
This> doesn't mean you can't make money with VV, just that
there> are ways to make> more money.>> So, that is
my basis for saying there are many ways to do> better on timing>
of individual stocks. I have assumed in my comments that this being
a> Metastock board, most readers were advanced way beyond the
VV> timing system> for individual stocks. But as you say,
each person should> develop his own> strategies to make money
and use whatever makes her/him comfortable.>> By the way, care
to share how VV has done for you this year?> Are you in the>
black? Your input on this might help me change mine and> others
opinion on> VV.>> Tom> ----- Original Message
-----> From: "neo" <<A
href="mailto:neo1@xxxxxxxxx";>neo1@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 7:36 PM> Subject: RE: VV
timing>>> > It depends on how you studied their
timing. Their published> results do not> > agree with the
calls they made at the time. They fudge> their published> >
timing calls in hindsight to made it look good. Many users> have
studied> this> > including myself.> >> >
Although their timing system is poor it is the best system> for
picking> > stocks that I have found but you have to develop your
own> strategies.> >> >> > -----Original
Message-----> > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom Sprunger> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:09
PM> > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: VV timing> >> >> > I have studied VV
timing claims and found they do do pretty> well on timing> >
the market. That isIF/WHEN they make a call, its right.>
Sometimes its> > obvious though by the time they make the
call. However,> they don't do so> > well on timing
individual stocks. Their stock timing> system is
basically> a> > 65 day (if I remember correctlyl) Moving
Average with some> kind of magic> > accelerator. From
my analysis, it comes out to be about> the same as a 50> >
day MA crossover. You can do better with simple trend lines.>
>> > Tom> > ----- Original Message -----> >
From: "David DeFina" <<A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> >
To: <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:10 AM> > Subject: RE: To
MetaStock Re: Portfolio Tester> >> >> > >
Neo:> > >> > > I Have a copy of VectorVest, but
haven't been able to> find any 3rd party> > >
recommendations on its usefulness. I didn't want to waste time
on> > something> > > that doesn't have value.
They say they've called every> major market> turn> >
> for so many years, but I couldn't tell if that was from> back
testing or> > real> > > time? Have you had a good
experience with it, or know of> a group of> happy> >
> users? Thanks, Dave D.> > >> > >>
> > <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
> > Behalf Of neo> > > Sent: Dec 22, 2000 5:45 AM>
> > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> Subject: To MetaStock Re: Portfolio Tester> > >> >
> Take a look at VectorVest.> > >> > >
-----Original Message-----> > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of David DeFina> > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000
6:05 PM> > > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> > >
Importance: High> > >> > >> > > I
second the suggestion of being able to system test> multiple stocks
at> > > once.> > >> > > It would also
be nice to run an "expert" report on> multiple stocks and> >
have> > > a summary page print with commentaries, etc.>
> >> > > Dave DeFina> > > <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
> > Behalf Of Bill Irwin> > > Sent: Dec 21, 2000 12:38
PM> > > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> >
>> > > How about making it an option that a user can choose
to> turn on, or not.> > I> > > know with a 600
Mhz P3 I'd far rather have my> Explorations take twice as> >
> long than spend all the extra time applying attributes> after the
fact.> > The> > > faster the PC the less impact on the
user.> > >> > > Thanks for giving us some faint hope
here. While we're at it, any> chance> > at> >
> all that we'll see a System test that can work on a> portfolio of
stocks?> > > What I visualize is a stock level report screen
that> shows the most> > > profitable stock from the
run. A double click on the> stock would take> us>
> to> > > the current report screen with all the permutations,
if> optimization was> > > used. This would be an
excellent way of finding the> stocks that respond> > >
well to a particular System.> > >> > > Thanks again
for the input.> > >> > > Bill> >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > >
From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of PD Manager> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000
9:55 AM> > > > To: <A
href="mailto:'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'">'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'>
> > > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator>
> > >> > > >> > > > J.> >
> >> > > > Hint taken.> > > >>
> > > We have been exploring this possibility for quite awhile.
It> > > > MAY possibly> > > > show up in a
future version, but I'm making no promises. The> > > >
problem with> > > > adding the capability to manipulate
attributes in a formula> > > > (color, style> > >
> etc) is that it will slow down the native number crunching> >
> > capability of the> > > > formulas.> > >
>> > > > If we add this ability to the formula language, it
will only> > > > be done if we> > > > can
minimize the impact on basic mathematical operation>
performance.> > > >> > > > Ken Hunt>
> > > Programming Manager> > > > Equis
International> > > >> > > >> > >
> -----Original Message-----> > > > From: j seed [<A
href="mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:05 AM> > >
> To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> >
> >> > > >> > > > Dave,> >
> > I am completely lost with your explanation. I know that> I
can plot a> > > > multicolored oscillator...green for
increasing and red for> > > > declining simply> >
> > by using an if statement to plot or not plot(value zero).>
> > > This works with an> > > >> > >
> oscillator simply because I can plot to a value of zero. I> >
> > can also plot a> > > > third indicator simply by
adding a moving average into the> > > > formula. This>
> > > still requires that I manually select the colors that I>
> > > desire for each and> > > > yes I can simply
this operation by assigning all of this to a> > > >
template.> > > > But...I still cannot assign the color in the
formula which is> > > > what I thought> > >
>> > > > the question was(wouldn't that be nice! Metastock
can you> > > > take a hint?).> > > > Beyond
this point your explanation has me lost. So...if you> > > >
don't mind would> > > >> > > > you give us
some more detail?> > > >> > > > J.>
> > >> > > >> > > > >From: Dave
Nadeau <<A
href="mailto:dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx";>dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx>> >
> > >Reply-To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> > >To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> > >Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator>
> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:18:50 -0700> > >
> >> > > > >Bill,> > > > >>
> > > >There is a faster way. You'll need to use a very
structured> > > > approach.> > > >
>> > > > >Start with a custom formula with three lines
which are> > > > something like this:> > > >
>> > > > >LineA:=<time period one>;> >
> > >LineB:=<time period two>;> > > >
>LineC:=<time period three>;> > > >
>Mov(C,LineA,S); Mov(C,LineB,S);Mov(C,LineC,S)> > > >
>...> > > > >> > > > >You can later
change these to OPT1, OPT2, and OPT3 in your> > > > system
test.> > > > >> > > > >Build your next
formula based on the first, and give signals> > > > for
enter,> > > > >short, exit, etc. as 1,2,3,4 or something
like that.> > > > >Then a third formula(Indicator3), based
on the second,> would use> > > > >Barssince(<your
long signal>)<Barssince(<your short> signal>) AND>
> > > >Barssince(<your long signal>)<Barssince(<your
exit signal>)> > > > = 1 for long or> > >
>> > > > >=-1 for short and =0 for out.> >
> > >> > > > >Then you can create a fourth custom
indicator based on this,> > > > the equity> > >
> >line. This one says,
Cum(If(Indicator3=1,Open-Ref(Open,-> > > >
>1),If(Indicator3=-1,-1*(Open-Ref(Open,-1),0).> > > >
>> > > > >Now you've got four indicators based on those
three variable> > > > definitions> > > >
>which are easy to change. You can run an exploration with>
> > > >this equity line to guage the performance across a
portfolio> > > > of stocks.> > > >
>> > > > >You can write an expert that is based on the
formulas and a> > > > template. Your> > >
>> > > > >arrows for exits and entries as well as the
lines> > > > >themselves will adjust whenever you go back
to adjust those> > > > three first> > > >
>lines of the first indicator.> > > > >> >
> > >You can also run a new exploration once you've adjusted>
> > > those three values> > > > >in the
formula. You can do this as many times as you'd> > > >
>like.> > > > >> > > > >I hope this
explanation makes sense. I'm happy to clarify.> > > > It
is quicker,> > > >> > > > >but still has
some manual steps.> > > > >> > > > >Dave
Nadeau> > > > >Fort Collins, CO> > > >
>> > > > >12/20/00 10:53:21 AM, "Bill Irwin" <<A
href="mailto:Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx";>Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx> wrote:>
> > > >> > > > > >Thanks Frans & Steve
for the suggestion. Maybe if> I'd more fully> > >
> >explained> > > > > >what I'm doing perhaps
another method is available, and> > > > would be
better.> > > > > >I'm working on a System that's based
on this triple plot.> > > > I'm going to> > >
> >be> > > > > >optimizing the values of this
triple MA and, after the> > > > test, observe the> >
> > > >most profitable scenario.> > > > >
>> > > > > >What I'd really like is for the System
tester to plot the> > > > triple MA (in 3> > >
> > >colours) along with the Buy/Sell/Exit signs so that I
can> > > > see the MAs> > > > >
>crossing at these triggers. As it is, it appears I'll> >
> > have to apply the> > > > > >Triple MA Coloured
Template, then adjust the lengths of> > > > the MAs to
match> > > > >the> > > > > >winning
System (after digging into the winning System to> > > > see
the values> > > > >of> > > > >
>OPT1/2/3 in a window that can't be sized to avoid the> > >
> extra step and time> > > >> > > >
>of> > > > > >scrolling). This doesn't make for
a speedy review of a> > > > given System> > >
> >across> > > > > >many charts. Of course,
having to run the System test on> > > > each
individual> > > > > >chart (rather than on a selection,
as in an Exploration)> > > > is what really> > >
> > >takes the time.> > > > > >> >
> > > >If there's a faster way of doing this, please advise,
and> > > > thanks again.> > > > >
>> > > > >> > > > >Dave
Nadeau> > > > >Fort Collins, CO> > > >
>> > > > >> > > > >> > >
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