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----- Original Message -----
From: <A
href="mailto:Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx"; title=Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx>Bill Irwin
To: <A href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: VV timing
Neo, what did VV cost? I wandered all over their site and
couldn't find aprice.Bill> -----Original
Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of neo> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 11:03 AM> To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: VV timing>>> Tom>> You really
have to look at Dr. D's latest calls, the timing> system and the>
comments on the VV board. He has been long the past 3 months> even though
all> his signals are short. He is now having people sell on>
various MA's instead> of the sell signal. His system worked well during
the recent> bull market> (what didn't) but is not working
now.>> I have had the program for 6 months. It took about 2 to
find> out his timing> and strategies did not work. I have since
spent a great deal> of time with MS> developing my own timing
system and my own strategies in VV> which in back> testing are
highly profitable. I am fine tuning all this as> well as my exits>
and expect to go live after the first. We will see what> happens with
real> money.>>> -----Original Message----->
From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom Sprunger> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:48
AM> To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: VV timing>>> neo, I looked at all the market
(nasdaq is the proxy) turns> in the last> three years that were
greater than 15%. VV hit them all, but> many of them>
weren't called until it was obvious the trend had changed> by the
time VV> MKT Trend indicator called a top the NASDAQ had already>
dropped an average> of 7%. by the time it called a bottom the DAQ had
already> risen an average> of 21%). So, they can call them
but they aren't necessarily> "timely" in the> calls. In my
opinion, the word "timely" is the key and they> don't make any>
claims (that I am aware of) as to how timely the call is.>>
For indivdual stocks I had worse results with VV. By the> time VV
gave a> sell signal, the average stock had already dropped an
average> of 22% and by> the time it gave a buy signal it had
already risen an average> of 30%. This> doesn't mean you
can't make money with VV, just that there> are ways to make> more
money.>> So, that is my basis for saying there are many ways to
do> better on timing> of individual stocks. I have assumed
in my comments that this being a> Metastock board, most readers were
advanced way beyond the VV> timing system> for individual
stocks. But as you say, each person should> develop his own>
strategies to make money and use whatever makes her/him
comfortable.>> By the way, care to share how VV has done for you
this year?> Are you in the> black? Your input on this might
help me change mine and> others opinion on> VV.>>
Tom> ----- Original Message -----> From: "neo" <<A
href="mailto:neo1@xxxxxxxxx";>neo1@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 7:36 PM> Subject: RE: VV
timing>>> > It depends on how you studied their timing.
Their published> results do not> > agree with the calls they
made at the time. They fudge> their published> > timing calls
in hindsight to made it look good. Many users> have studied>
this> > including myself.> >> > Although their
timing system is poor it is the best system> for picking> >
stocks that I have found but you have to develop your own>
strategies.> >> >> > -----Original
Message-----> > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom Sprunger> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:09
PM> > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: VV timing> >> >> > I have studied VV
timing claims and found they do do pretty> well on timing> >
the market. That isIF/WHEN they make a call, its right.> Sometimes
its> > obvious though by the time they make the call.
However,> they don't do so> > well on timing individual
stocks. Their stock timing> system is basically>
a> > 65 day (if I remember correctlyl) Moving Average with
some> kind of magic> > accelerator. From my analysis, it
comes out to be about> the same as a 50> > day MA
crossover. You can do better with simple trend lines.> >>
> Tom> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "David
DeFina" <<A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> > To:
<<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:10 AM> > Subject: RE: To
MetaStock Re: Portfolio Tester> >> >> > >
Neo:> > >> > > I Have a copy of VectorVest, but
haven't been able to> find any 3rd party> > >
recommendations on its usefulness. I didn't want to waste time on>
> something> > > that doesn't have value. They say they've
called every> major market> turn> > > for so many
years, but I couldn't tell if that was from> back testing or> >
real> > > time? Have you had a good experience with it, or
know of> a group of> happy> > > users? Thanks,
Dave D.> > >> > >> > > <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
> > Behalf Of neo> > > Sent: Dec 22, 2000 5:45 AM>
> > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> Subject: To MetaStock Re: Portfolio Tester> > >> >
> Take a look at VectorVest.> > >> > >
-----Original Message-----> > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of David DeFina> > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 6:05
PM> > > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> > >
Importance: High> > >> > >> > > I second
the suggestion of being able to system test> multiple stocks at>
> > once.> > >> > > It would also be nice to run
an "expert" report on> multiple stocks and> > have> >
> a summary page print with commentaries, etc.> > >> >
> Dave DeFina> > > <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
> > Behalf Of Bill Irwin> > > Sent: Dec 21, 2000 12:38
PM> > > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> >
>> > > How about making it an option that a user can choose
to> turn on, or not.> > I> > > know with a 600 Mhz
P3 I'd far rather have my> Explorations take twice as> > >
long than spend all the extra time applying attributes> after the
fact.> > The> > > faster the PC the less impact on the
user.> > >> > > Thanks for giving us some faint hope
here. While we're at it, any> chance> > at> >
> all that we'll see a System test that can work on a> portfolio of
stocks?> > > What I visualize is a stock level report screen
that> shows the most> > > profitable stock from the
run. A double click on the> stock would take> us>
> to> > > the current report screen with all the permutations,
if> optimization was> > > used. This would be an
excellent way of finding the> stocks that respond> > > well
to a particular System.> > >> > > Thanks again for the
input.> > >> > > Bill> > >> >
> > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of PD Manager> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000
9:55 AM> > > > To: <A
href="mailto:'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'">'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'>
> > > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator>
> > >> > > >> > > > J.> >
> >> > > > Hint taken.> > > >> >
> > We have been exploring this possibility for quite awhile.
It> > > > MAY possibly> > > > show up in a
future version, but I'm making no promises. The> > > >
problem with> > > > adding the capability to manipulate
attributes in a formula> > > > (color, style> > >
> etc) is that it will slow down the native number crunching> >
> > capability of the> > > > formulas.> > >
>> > > > If we add this ability to the formula language, it
will only> > > > be done if we> > > > can
minimize the impact on basic mathematical operation> performance.>
> > >> > > > Ken Hunt> > > >
Programming Manager> > > > Equis International> > >
>> > > >> > > > -----Original
Message-----> > > > From: j seed [<A
href="mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx]> >
> > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:05 AM> > > > To:
metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator>
> > >> > > >> > > > Dave,> >
> > I am completely lost with your explanation. I know that> I can
plot a> > > > multicolored oscillator...green for increasing and
red for> > > > declining simply> > > > by using
an if statement to plot or not plot(value zero).> > > > This
works with an> > > >> > > > oscillator simply
because I can plot to a value of zero. I> > > > can also plot
a> > > > third indicator simply by adding a moving average into
the> > > > formula. This> > > > still requires
that I manually select the colors that I> > > > desire for each
and> > > > yes I can simply this operation by assigning all of
this to a> > > > template.> > > > But...I still
cannot assign the color in the formula which is> > > > what I
thought> > > >> > > > the question was(wouldn't
that be nice! Metastock can you> > > > take a hint?).>
> > > Beyond this point your explanation has me lost. So...if
you> > > > don't mind would> > > >> >
> > you give us some more detail?> > > >> > >
> J.> > > >> > > >> > > >
>From: Dave Nadeau <<A
href="mailto:dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx";>dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx>> >
> > >Reply-To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> > >To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
> > >Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> >
> > >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:18:50 -0700> > > >
>> > > > >Bill,> > > > >> >
> > >There is a faster way. You'll need to use a very
structured> > > > approach.> > > > >>
> > > >Start with a custom formula with three lines which
are> > > > something like this:> > > >
>> > > > >LineA:=<time period one>;> >
> > >LineB:=<time period two>;> > > >
>LineC:=<time period three>;> > > > >Mov(C,LineA,S);
Mov(C,LineB,S);Mov(C,LineC,S)> > > > >...> > >
> >> > > > >You can later change these to OPT1, OPT2,
and OPT3 in your> > > > system test.> > > >
>> > > > >Build your next formula based on the first, and
give signals> > > > for enter,> > > > >short,
exit, etc. as 1,2,3,4 or something like that.> > > > >Then a
third formula(Indicator3), based on the second,> would use> >
> > >Barssince(<your long signal>)<Barssince(<your
short> signal>) AND> > > > >Barssince(<your long
signal>)<Barssince(<your exit signal>)> > > > = 1
for long or> > > >> > > > >=-1 for short and
=0 for out.> > > > >> > > > >Then you can
create a fourth custom indicator based on this,> > > > the
equity> > > > >line. This one says,
Cum(If(Indicator3=1,Open-Ref(Open,-> > > >
>1),If(Indicator3=-1,-1*(Open-Ref(Open,-1),0).> > > >
>> > > > >Now you've got four indicators based on those
three variable> > > > definitions> > > >
>which are easy to change. You can run an exploration with> >
> > >this equity line to guage the performance across a
portfolio> > > > of stocks.> > > > >>
> > > >You can write an expert that is based on the formulas and
a> > > > template. Your> > > >>
> > > >arrows for exits and entries as well as the lines>
> > > >themselves will adjust whenever you go back to adjust
those> > > > three first> > > > >lines of the
first indicator.> > > > >> > > > >You can
also run a new exploration once you've adjusted> > > > those
three values> > > > >in the formula. You can do this as
many times as you'd> > > > >like.> > > >
>> > > > >I hope this explanation makes sense. I'm
happy to clarify.> > > > It is quicker,> > >
>> > > > >but still has some manual steps.> >
> > >> > > > >Dave Nadeau> > > >
>Fort Collins, CO> > > > >> > > >
>12/20/00 10:53:21 AM, "Bill Irwin" <<A
href="mailto:Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx";>Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx> wrote:>
> > > >> > > > > >Thanks Frans & Steve for
the suggestion. Maybe if> I'd more fully> > > >
>explained> > > > > >what I'm doing perhaps another
method is available, and> > > > would be better.> >
> > > >I'm working on a System that's based on this triple
plot.> > > > I'm going to> > > > >be>
> > > > >optimizing the values of this triple MA and, after
the> > > > test, observe the> > > > >
>most profitable scenario.> > > > > >> > >
> > >What I'd really like is for the System tester to plot the>
> > > triple MA (in 3> > > > > >colours) along
with the Buy/Sell/Exit signs so that I can> > > > see the
MAs> > > > > >crossing at these triggers. As it is,
it appears I'll> > > > have to apply the> > > >
> >Triple MA Coloured Template, then adjust the lengths of> >
> > the MAs to match> > > > >the> > > >
> >winning System (after digging into the winning System to> >
> > see the values> > > > >of> > > >
> >OPT1/2/3 in a window that can't be sized to avoid the> > >
> extra step and time> > > >> > > >
>of> > > > > >scrolling). This doesn't make for a
speedy review of a> > > > given System> > > >
>across> > > > > >many charts. Of course, having
to run the System test on> > > > each individual> >
> > > >chart (rather than on a selection, as in an
Exploration)> > > > is what really> > > > >
>takes the time.> > > > > >> > > > >
>If there's a faster way of doing this, please advise, and> > >
> thanks again.> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > >Dave Nadeau> > > > >Fort
Collins, CO> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > >
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