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<DIV><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff 
face=Arial size=2>Rick,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>From 
where I live many 1,000s of miles away, I have had no idea what Harley was up to 
because I do not have any data for those stocks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff 
face=Arial size=2>No one else seemed to bare their souls over the trades as he 
does (or did)!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff 
face=Arial size=2>It just seemed that sooner or later someone had to say 
something to him!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290540908-06111998><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial 
size=2>Ian</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
    size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
    owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B>On 
    Behalf Of</B> Rick Mortellra<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 6 November 1998 
    17:16<BR><B>To:</B> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: NWAC, KEA 
    and AMAT<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>Harley, this slapping ya in the 
    face but&nbsp; I'm not sure why you post anything at all. Therapy perhaps? 
    If so, then it's time for some tough love my friend.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>Obviously, since you've 
    &quot;been here before&quot; you haven't or don't want to learn from your 
    mistakes. Certainly if we went down the list of the most common trading 
    guideline &quot;cliches&quot; found in the appendix of every trading book 
    published&nbsp; you'd be in violation of them all.&nbsp; Frankly, the only 
    thing anyone can take away from these posts is that you are a&nbsp; 
    LOSER!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>You offer no plan or strategy to 
    deal with this setback other than to hope &quot;we get a correction.&quot; 
    You can't tell us why the trades went bad or even admit that you were wrong. 
    In fact, you want to short more! This during one of the biggest up months in 
    market history. Talk about hubris!&nbsp; </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>You 
    claim to know NWACs&nbsp; business because you live in Minneapolis? What 
    arrogance! </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You've said you got a degree in math but its 
    obvious math plays no part in your trading. Unless you control your downside 
    risk you'll never win over the long haul. So with NWAC the best you could do 
    IF the stock went zero was $960. (Yeah right, like one of the giants of its 
    industry becomes worthless.) Yet&nbsp; you've endured a $360 or 38% plunge 
    down a bottomless pit. Or AMAT, the undisputed leader of its industry and 
    where you've taken an astounding $2300 or 35% whipping. What's even more 
    amazing is that I'm willing to wager that this 1 position has become almost 
    50% of your trading account, or what's left of it. Are you dumb or just 
    desperate?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Finally, you end by telling us that the market 
    action has changed for the better and &quot;screwed up your thinking.&quot; 
    The only thing that is screwed up is that you've continued to stay WRONG for 
    a month while pissin off probably 20% of your equity! I suggest for the 
    well-being of your family that snap out of this stupor and GET OUT OF THE 
    MARKET! Your personality is not suited for active trading and it will end up 
    costing you a lot more than a shrink while you &quot;discover&quot; 
    yourself. Stick with it, and I'll guaranty you'll be cleaning full-time for 
    a living.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
    </B>Harley Meyer &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:meyer@xxxxxxxxxxx";>meyer@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: 
    </B>Metastock list &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:metastock-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
    </B>Friday, November 06, 1998 10:22 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>NWAC, KEA and 
    AMAT<BR><BR></DIV>
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        <CENTER>&nbsp;</CENTER>Well it has been awhile since I have addressed my 
        trades. Seems like I have dug myself a hole. Since I have been sitting 
        on these trades with some pretty good draw down. I have to sit and wait 
        because I have zero buying power. I have been here before and I still 
        don't like it. It isn't very productive. (Well I have done some much 
        needed cleaning around here.) But that doesn't count. 
        <P>I covered 100 shares of NWAC for a small gain. I still am short 50 
        shares at 19 3/16. Currently the stock trades around 26. My fundamental 
        outlook on this stock has not changed. I live in Minneapolis and they 
        are giving more and more money in these contract negotiations. Plus to 
        attract passengers they are giving up to much money. If I had money I 
        would have taken another position short at the $27 level. 
        <P>KEA - I am still short 100 shares at 30 1/2. I could of covered 
        around 30 about a week ago, but decided to take a chance that it was 
        going to move lower. It is now around 37. Could break to $40. It does 
        move with the markets and I will say that <U>if we can get a 
        correction</U> I should be able to get out with out to much of a loss. 
        <P>AMAT - Has also moved higher and is now around 35. I am short 250 
        shares at 3 different locations. 50 @ 19 1/2, 100 @ 25 5/8 and 100 @ 29 
        3/8. As of the last few days the stock has been trying to come down. But 
        the market just keeps moving higher. Then so does AMAT. My out look on 
        AMAT has changed since they have finished their restructuring. It will 
        help their bottom line but it is unclear what demand for their equipment 
        will be in 1999. My guess is not that much demand. <BR>&nbsp; 
        <P>Overall out look: My out look for the over all market is much more 
        positive than what it was 1 month ago. Even if the economy slows down, 
        the fed will use easing as a means to combat a slowing economy. Hence 
        large cap stocks prices will still stay buoyed up. I will say that 
        Greenspan's surprise rate cut has screwed my thinking up. The landscape 
        changed to much and became unfamiliar. <BR>&nbsp; 
        <P>Harley </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Does anyone know if there was a full moon last 
night?</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
    </B>Rick Mortellra &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:rmjapan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>rmjapan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: 
    </B>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
    </B>Friday, November 06, 1998 12:10 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: NWAC, KEA and 
    AMAT<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>Harley, this slapping ya in the 
    face but&nbsp; I'm not sure why you post anything at all. Therapy perhaps? 
    If so, then it's time for some tough love my friend.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>Obviously, since you've 
    &quot;been here before&quot; you haven't or don't want to learn from your 
    mistakes. Certainly if we went down the list of the most common trading 
    guideline &quot;cliches&quot; found in the appendix of every trading book 
    published&nbsp; you'd be in violation of them all.&nbsp; Frankly, the only 
    thing anyone can take away from these posts is that you are a&nbsp; 
    LOSER!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>You offer no plan or strategy to 
    deal with this setback other than to hope &quot;we get a correction.&quot; 
    You can't tell us why the trades went bad or even admit that you were wrong. 
    In fact, you want to short more! This during one of the biggest up months in 
    market history. Talk about hubris!&nbsp; </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>You 
    claim to know NWACs&nbsp; business because you live in Minneapolis? What 
    arrogance! </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You've said you got a degree in math but its 
    obvious math plays no part in your trading. Unless you control your downside 
    risk you'll never win over the long haul. So with NWAC the best you could do 
    IF the stock went zero was $960. (Yeah right, like one of the giants of its 
    industry becomes worthless.) Yet&nbsp; you've endured a $360 or 38% plunge 
    down a bottomless pit. Or AMAT, the undisputed leader of its industry and 
    where you've taken an astounding $2300 or 35% whipping. What's even more 
    amazing is that I'm willing to wager that this 1 position has become almost 
    50% of your trading account, or what's left of it. Are you dumb or just 
    desperate?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Finally, you end by telling us that the market 
    action has changed for the better and &quot;screwed up your thinking.&quot; 
    The only thing that is screwed up is that you've continued to stay WRONG for 
    a month while pissin off probably 20% of your equity! I suggest for the 
    well-being of your family that snap out of this stupor and GET OUT OF THE 
    MARKET! Your personality is not suited for active trading and it will end up 
    costing you a lot more than a shrink while you &quot;discover&quot; 
    yourself. Stick with it, and I'll guaranty you'll be cleaning full-time for 
    a living.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From: 
    </B>Harley Meyer &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:meyer@xxxxxxxxxxx";>meyer@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: 
    </B>Metastock list &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:metastock-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
    </B>Friday, November 06, 1998 10:22 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>NWAC, KEA and 
    AMAT<BR><BR></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE 
    style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT>
        <CENTER>&nbsp;</CENTER>Well it has been awhile since I have addressed my 
        trades. Seems like I have dug myself a hole. Since I have been sitting 
        on these trades with some pretty good draw down. I have to sit and wait 
        because I have zero buying power. I have been here before and I still 
        don't like it. It isn't very productive. (Well I have done some much 
        needed cleaning around here.) But that doesn't count. 
        <P>I covered 100 shares of NWAC for a small gain. I still am short 50 
        shares at 19 3/16. Currently the stock trades around 26. My fundamental 
        outlook on this stock has not changed. I live in Minneapolis and they 
        are giving more and more money in these contract negotiations. Plus to 
        attract passengers they are giving up to much money. If I had money I 
        would have taken another position short at the $27 level. 
        <P>KEA - I am still short 100 shares at 30 1/2. I could of covered 
        around 30 about a week ago, but decided to take a chance that it was 
        going to move lower. It is now around 37. Could break to $40. It does 
        move with the markets and I will say that <U>if we can get a 
        correction</U> I should be able to get out with out to much of a loss. 
        <P>AMAT - Has also moved higher and is now around 35. I am short 250 
        shares at 3 different locations. 50 @ 19 1/2, 100 @ 25 5/8 and 100 @ 29 
        3/8. As of the last few days the stock has been trying to come down. But 
        the market just keeps moving higher. Then so does AMAT. My out look on 
        AMAT has changed since they have finished their restructuring. It will 
        help their bottom line but it is unclear what demand for their equipment 
        will be in 1999. My guess is not that much demand. <BR>&nbsp; 
        <P>Overall out look: My out look for the over all market is much more 
        positive than what it was 1 month ago. Even if the economy slows down, 
        the fed will use easing as a means to combat a slowing economy. Hence 
        large cap stocks prices will still stay buoyed up. I will say that 
        Greenspan's surprise rate cut has screwed my thinking up. The landscape 
        changed to much and became unfamiliar. <BR>&nbsp; 
        <P>Harley </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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