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----- Original Message -----
From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates <bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Tr: GANN/GILMORE {02}
> Sophie, send this...
>
> Interesting you say what you say Gwen, you sound a little like a
> professional shrink, I don't doubt my abilities and I don't doubt my
ability
> to teach anyone. The real problem is the student is not ready and just
> sabotages himself or complains that he was not taught the way he wanted,
> this is the students problem not the teacher, if the student had a brain
he
> would ask questions until he got the message, the problem as I see it is
> that too many students just complain about everything, they wouldn't have
a
> clue how to do it for themselves.
>
> regards,
> Bryce.
>
> PS: One day the penny will drop if you have the "street sense" required to
> trade the markets, if you don't all you will do is talk about it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: bryce <bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:17 AM
> Subject: Tr: [RT] Tr: GANN/GILMORE {02}
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gwenael Gautier <ggautier@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; List RT
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 3:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] Tr: GANN/GILMORE {02}
> >
> >
> > > Hello again Bryce,
> > >
> > > Don't be mad. If you were lucky enough to know success from the start,
> be
> > aware
> > > this is not the usual route in any endeavour, as you may surely know
> from
> > your
> > > own trials in other activities. Be also aware, that past success is
not
> a
> > > guarantee of future immunity from failure. In fact not knowing of
> failure
> > makes
> > > you vulnerable to not recognizing the warning telltale signals, and
may
> > not be a
> > > positive for anyone seeking to entrust large funds to trade. Be also
> aware
> > that
> > > doubt is a key part of the learning process. You cannot make things
your
> > own by
> > > just accepting them. You have first to doubt to find the arguments
that
> > will
> > > convince yourself, so please allow for people to doubt, and just show
> some
> > > empathy, compassion and tolerance. It will only improve your teaching
> > skills,
> > > and make yourself more accessible to your students. You should read
"the
> > > greatest salesman in the world" and its sequel by Ogd Mandino. Very
> > interesting
> > > in that respect.
> > >
> > > Lastly you complain about others (ignorant) trashing your work and
> > beliefs.
> > > Don't trap yourself in the plot by doing the same. The best proof is
> > silence and
> > > action. How about posting some of your (constructive) thoughts on this
> > forum
> > > rather than making claims nobody can verify and are only hurting your
> > > credibility? Actually, I hear you have a list. If so please put me on.
> > Promise,
> > > I won't trash..., just listen :-))
> > >
> > > Gwenn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sophie wrote:
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates <bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:59 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [RT] GANN/GILMORE {01}
> > > >
> > > > > Sophie,
> > > > > Reply to Gwenn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gwenn I did not start out as a loser, I have been a winner from
day
> > one,
> > > > > that is the point. if you think I am a bastard just go into the
pits
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > CBOT and find out how many pleasantries you get from the guys who
> work
> > > > > there. Get real and learn. Most of the shit you hear in the rooms
> you
> > > > > inhabit are designed to rip money out of your pocket. I might be a
> > > > complete
> > > > > anomaly but I do try and help people who continually get it in the
> ass
> > > > from
> > > > > brokers, urgers and idealists.
> > > > > Bryce.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: bryce <bryceg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 9:33 PM
> > > > > Subject: Tr: [RT] GANN/GILMORE {01}
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Gwenael Gautier <ggautier@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: Sophie <trade@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Cc: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:31 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [RT] GANN/GILMORE {01}
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know you, Bryce, but the way you respond is not making
> you
> > > > good
> > > > > > > publicity. Bragging is not a trait of consistent winning
> traders,
> > nor
> > > > is
> > > > > > > trashing those who wonder about you. If you are good, fine,
only
> > you
> > > > can
> > > > > > > know, but you could have said the same things without needing
to
> > > > > > > diminish others. Any winner starts out at a loser first, you
> > should
> > > > > > > remember your own losing years and how you felt then before
> making
> > fun
> > > > > > > of people whom you deems are losing, without even knowing. As
> one
> > day
> > > > > > > these might well beat the shit out of you in performance and
> what
> > will
> > > > > > > you say then? Sorry to have abused you, or glad to have met
you
> > along
> > > > > > > the way, sharing a moment on our paths?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You complain about egos, but start dealing with yours. You
won't
> > prove
> > > >
> > > > > > > anything this way Bryce, except the opposite. Show respect
> > yourself if
> > > > > > > you want respect.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gwenn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sophie wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hello every body Bryce ask me to put this for him, i have
been
> > in
> > > > his
> > > > > > > > list for 3 months now, and he isthe only one trader that i
> know
> > that
> > > > > > > > write book and realy trade, and he is telling his trade in
his
> > site
> > > > > > > > for Free, i dont know any one else who do thathe is a
> brilliant
> > > > > > > > teacher, and a brilliant trader, as i have folow his trade
> FREE
> > for
> > > > > > > > the last 3 months sophie There are a lot of egos to deal
with
> in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > business, unfortunately guys like SB never have made it or
are
> > rank
> > > > > > > > amateurs. Most of the people I have trained that are
> successful
> > are
> > > > > > > > either working as technical analysts or as private traders.
Of
> > the
> > > > > > > > ones that do trade funds and are successful they rarely
admit
> > where
> > > > > > > > they got their increased knowledge of Gann or Elliott
timing.
> > Like
> > > > > > > > every facet of leveraged trading we would have a fall out
rate
> > of
> > > > 75%
> > > > > > > > who just can't put the information to practical use. I don't
> let
> > it
> > > > > > > > bother me, if they want to take me on head to head I can
> reduce
> > them
> > > > > > > > to a "bumbling mess". Anyway as far as books and software
> sales
> > go I
> > > > > > > > have always had an agent handling that side of my business
> > activity
> > > > > > > > and I do enjoy the money it brings in, the agents couldn't
> sell
> > it
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > it was not worth the price. And I am prepared to place real
> time
> > > > > > > > information of trades I am taking - see how many of your
real
> > > > traders
> > > > > > > > will do that. Guys like Dennis who trade turtles systems
take
> > huge
> > > > > > > > drawdowns to make the money they do, most of the time they
are
> > using
> > > > > > > > other peoples money and take up front fees from the trading
> > capital
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > make their living. Lots of people come and go into their
funds
> > and
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > general many get burnt even though the funds can produce
> audited
> > > > > > > > results that look good on the face of it. I know cause I
have
> > seen
> > > > it
> > > > > > > > over the years. So tell this guy SB to have a real good look
> at
> > the
> > > > > > > > business and find out how long he has been in it. My opinion
> is,
> > he
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > a loser and just needs to try and surround himself with
other
> > > > losers,
> > > > > > > > that's what brokers usually do. Bryce
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
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