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RE: Opinions on system results if so inclined - TIA



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My opinion is that if this is optimized results then it means one thing if
it is forward
tested it means something else.

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Dubell [mailto:ddubell@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:27 PM
To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Opinions on system results if so inclined - TIA


SPY - 100 shares per trade
also ran on e-mini with similar results

>TradeStation Performance Summary - 07/01/1998-09/22/2004
>
>	                All Trades	Long Trades Short Trades
>Total Net Profit	$9,458.00 	$4,895.00 	$4,563.00
>Gross Profit	$11,591.00 $6,170.00 $5,421.00
>Gross Loss	($2,133.00) ($1,275.00) ($858.00)
>Profit Factor	5.43	4.84	6.32
>
>Open Position P/L	$0.00 	$0.00 	$0.00
>
>Select Total Net Profit$6,676.00 $3,277.00 	$3,399.00
>Select Gross Profit	$8,809.00 	$4,552.00 	$4,257.00
>Select Gross Loss	($2,133.00)($1,275.00)($858.00)
>Select Profit Factor	4.13	                  4.96
>
>Adjusted Total Net Profit$7,740.01 $3,654.95 $3,368.44
>Adjusted Gross Profit	$10,362.36 $5,314.37 $4,529.79
>Adjusted Gross Loss	($2,622.34) ($1,659.43) ($1,161.35)
>Adjusted Profit Factor                  3.2	  3.9
>
>Total Number of Trades 108	63	45
>Percent Profitable	82.41%	82.54%	82.22%
>Winning Trades	89	52	37
>Losing Trades	19	11	8
>Even Trades	0	0	0
>
>Avg. Trade Net Profit	$87.57 	$77.70 	$101.40
>Avg. Winning Trade	$130.24 	$118.65 	$146.51
>Avg. Losing Trade	($112.26)	($115.91)	($107.25)
>Ratio Avg. Winning:Avg. Losing	1.16	1.02	1.37
>Largest Winning Trade	$1,164.00 	$913.00 	$1,164.00
>Largest Losing Trade	($319.00)	($319.00)	($311.00)
>Largest Winner as % of Gross Profit	10.04%	14.80%	21.47%
>Largest Loser as % of Gross Loss	14.96%	25.02%	36.25%
>
>Net Profit as % of Largest Loss		1534.48%	1467.20%
>Select Net Profit as % of Largest Loss	2092.79%	1027.27%	1092.93%
>Adjusted Net Profit as % of Largest Loss	2426.34%	1145.75%	1083.10%
>
>Max. Consecutive Winning Trades25	19	24
>Max. Consecutive Losing Trades	2	1	2
>Avg. Bars in Total Trades	33.11	33.76	32.2
>Avg. Bars in Winning Trades	34.11	34.79	33.16
>Avg. Bars in Losing Trades	28.42	28.91	27.75
>Avg. Bars in Even Trades	0	0	0
>
>Max. Shares/Contracts Held	100	100	100
>Account Size Required	$323.00 	$319.00 	$323.00
>Total Slippage	$0.00 	$0.00 	$0.00
>Total Commission	$0.00 	$0.00 	$0.00
>
>Return on Initial Capital	9.46%
>Annual Rate of Return	1.46%
>Buy & Hold Return	-9.19%
>Return on Account	2928.17%
>Avg. Monthly Return	$129.28
>Std. Deviation of Monthly Return	$227.36
>
>Return Retracement Ratio	0.25
>RINA Index	331.68
>Sharpe Ratio	-0.07
>K-Ratio	n/a
>
>Trading Period	6 Yrs, 2 Mths, 1 Dy, 4 Hrs, 15 Mins
>Percent of Time in the Market	15.57%
>Time in the Market	11 Mths, 16 Dys
>Longest Flat Period	85 Dys, 1 Hr, 30 Mins
>
>Max. Equity Run-up	$10,235.00
>Date of Max. Equity Run-up	7/22/2004 9:00
>Max. Equity Run-up as % of Initial Capital	10.24%
>
>Max. Drawdown (Intra-day Peak to Valley)
>Value	($1,188.00)	($1,069.00)	($1,188.00)
>Date	10/26/2001 11:30
>as % of Initial Capital	1.19%	1.19%	1.07%
>Net Profit as % of Drawdown	796.13%	457.90%	384.09%
>Select Net Profit as % of Drawdown	561.95%	306.55%	286.11%
>Adjusted Net Profit as % of Drawdown	651.52%	341.90%
>
>Max. Drawdown (Trade Close to Trade Close)
>Value	($323.00)	($319.00)	($323.00)
>Date	2/11/2003 11:00
>as % of Initial Capital	0.32%	0.32%	0.32%
>Net Profit as % of Drawdown	2928.17%	1534.48%	1412.69%
>Select Net Profit as % of Drawdown	2066.87%	1027.27%	1052.32%
>Adjusted Net Profit as % of Drawdown	2396.29%	1145.75%	1042.86%
>
>Max. Trade Drawdown	($885.00)	($885.00)	($399.00)
>
>
>
>All Trades
>
>Total Net Profit	$9,458.00 	   Profit Factor	5.43
>Gross Profit	$11,591.00 	   Gross Loss	($2,133.00)
>
>Open Position Profit/Loss	$0.00
>
>Select Total Net Profit	$6,676.00 	   Select Profit Factor	4.13
>Select Gross Profit	$8,809.00 	   Select Gross Loss	($2,133.00)
>
>Adjusted Total Net Profit	$7,740.01 	   Adjusted Profit Factor
>Adjusted Gross Profit	$10,362.36 	   Adjusted Gross Loss	($2,622.34)
>
>Total Number of Trades	108	   Percent Profitable	82.41%
>Winning Trades	89	   Losing Trades	19
>Even Trades	0
>
>Avg. Trade Net Profit	$87.57 	   Ratio Avg. Win:Avg. Loss	1.16
>Avg. Winning Trade	$130.24 	   Avg. Losing Trade	($112.26)
>Largest Winning Trade	$1,164.00 	   Largest Losing Trade	($319.00)
>Largest Winner as % of Gross Profit	10.04%	   Largest Loser as % of Gross
>Loss	14.96%
>
>Net Profit as % of Largest Loss
>Slct. Net Profit as % of Largest Loss	2092.79%	   Adj. Net Profit as % of
>Largest Loss	2426.34%
>
>Max. Consecutive Winning Trades	25	   Max. Consecutive Losing Trades	2
>Avg. Bars in Winning Trades	34.11	   Avg. Bars in Losing Trades	28.42
>Avg. Bars in Total Trades	33.11
>
>Max. Shares/Contracts Held	100	   Account Size Required	$323.00
>Total Commission	$0.00 	   Total Slippage	$0.00
>
>Return on Initial Capital	9.46%	   Annual Rate of Return	1.46%
>Buy and Hold Return	-9.19%	   Return on Account	2928.17%
>Avg. Monthly Return	$129.28 	   Std. Deviation of Monthly Return	$227.36
>
>Return Retracement Ratio	0.25	   RINA Index	331.68
>Sharpe Ratio	-0.07	   K-Ratio	n/a
>
>Trading Period	6 Yrs, 2 Mths, 1 Dy, 4 Hrs, 15 Mins	   Percent of Time in
>the Market	15.57%
>Time in the Market	11 Mths, 16 Dys	   Longest Flat Period	85 Dys, 1 Hr, 30
>Mins
>
>Max. Equity Run-up	$10,235.00
>Date of Max. E. Run-up	7/22/2004 9:00	   Max. E. Run-up as % of Initial
>Capital	10.24%
>
>Max. Drawdown (Intra-day Peak to Valley)	   Max. Drawdown (Trade Close to
>Trade Close)
>Value	($1,188.00)	   Value	($323.00)
>Date	10/26/2001 11:30	   Date	2/11/2003 11:00
>as % of Initial Capital	1.19%	   as % of Initial Capital	0.32%
>Net Profit as % of Drawdown	796.13%	   Net Profit as % of Drawdown	2928.17%
>Slct. Net Profit as % of Drawdown	561.95%	   Slct. Net Profit as % of
>Drawdown	2066.87%
>Adj. Net Prof as % of Drawdown	651.52%	   Adj. Net Profit as % of
>Drawdown	2396.29%
>
>Max. Trade Drawdown	($885.00)
>
>Long Trades
>
>Total Net Profit	$4,895.00 	   Profit Factor	4.84
>Gross Profit	$6,170.00 	   Gross Loss	($1,275.00)
>
>Open Position Profit/Loss	$0.00
>
>Select Total Net Profit	$3,277.00 	   Select Profit Factor
>Select Gross Profit	$4,552.00 	   Select Gross Loss	($1,275.00)
>
>Adjusted Total Net Profit	$3,654.95 	   Adjusted Profit Factor	3.2
>Adjusted Gross Profit	$5,314.37 	   Adjusted Gross Loss	($1,659.43)
>
>Total Number of Trades	63	   Percent Profitable	82.54%
>Winning Trades	52	   Losing Trades	11
>Even Trades	0
>
>Avg. Trade Net Profit	$77.70 	   Ratio Avg. Win:Avg. Loss	1.02
>Avg. Winning Trade	$118.65 	   Avg. Losing Trade	($115.91)
>Largest Winning Trade	$913.00 	   Largest Losing Trade	($319.00)
>Largest Winner as % of Gross Profit	14.80%	   Largest Loser as % of Gross
>Loss	25.02%
>
>Max. Consecutive Winning Trades	19	   Max. Consecutive Losing Trades	1
>Avg. Bars in Winning Trades	34.79	   Avg. Bars in Losing Trades	28.91
>Avg. Bars in Total Trades	33.76
>
>Max. Shares/Contracts Held	100	   Account Size Required	$319.00
>Total Commission	$0.00 	   Total Slippage	$0.00
>
>Net Profit as % of Largest Loss	1534.48%
>Slct. Net Profit as % of Largest Loss	1027.27%	   Adj. Net Profit as % of
>Largest Loss	1145.75%
>
>Max. Drawdown (Intra-day Peak to Valley)	   Max. Drawdown (Trade Close to
>Trade Close)
>Value	($1,069.00)	   Value	($319.00)
>as % of Initial Capital	1.19%	   as % of Initial Capital	0.32%
>Net Profit as % of Drawdown	457.90%	   Net Profit as % of Drawdown	1534.48%
>Slct. Net Profit as % of Drawdown	306.55%	   Slct. Net Profit as % of
>Drawdown	1027.27%
>Adj. Net Prof as % of Drawdown	341.90%	   Adj. Net Profit as % of
>Drawdown	1027.27%
>
>Max. Trade Drawdown	($885.00)
>
>Short Trades
>
>Total Net Profit	$4,563.00 	   Profit Factor	6.32
>Gross Profit	$5,421.00 	   Gross Loss	($858.00)
>
>Open Position Profit/Loss	$0.00
>
>Select Total Net Profit	$3,399.00 	   Select Profit Factor	4.96
>Select Gross Profit	$4,257.00 	   Select Gross Loss	($858.00)
>
>Adjusted Total Net Profit	$3,368.44 	   Adjusted Profit Factor	3.9
>Adjusted Gross Profit	$4,529.79 	   Adjusted Gross Loss	($1,161.35)
>
>Total Number of Trades	45	   Percent Profitable	82.22%
>Winning Trades	37	   Losing Trades	8
>Even Trades	0
>
>Avg. Trade Net Proft	$101.40 	   Ratio Avg. Win:Avg. Loss	1.37
>Avg. Winning Trade	$146.51 	   Avg. Losing Trade	($107.25)
>Largest Winning Trade	$1,164.00 	   Largest Losing Trade	($311.00)
>Largest Winner as % of Gross Profit	21.47%	   Largest Loser as % of Gross
>Loss	25.02%
>
>Max. Consecutive Winning Trades	24	   Max. Consecutive Losing Trades	2
>Avg. Bars in Winning Trades	33.16	   Avg. Bars in Losing Trades	27.75
>Avg. Bars in Total Trades	32.2
>
>Max. Shares/Contracts Held	100	   Account Size Required	$323.00
>Total Slippage	$0.00 	   Total Commission	$0.00
>
>Net Profit as % of Largest Loss	1467.20%
>Slct. Net Profit as % of Largest Loss	1092.93%	   Adj. Net Profit as % of
>Largest Loss	1083.10%
>
>Max. Drawdown (Intra-day Peak to Valley)	   Max. Drawdown (Trade Close to
>Trade Close)
>Value	($1,188.00)	   Value	($323.00)
>as % of Initial Capital	1.07%	   as % of Initial Capital	0.32%
>Net Profit as % of Drawdown	384.09%	   Net Profit as % of Drawdown	1412.69%
>Slct. Net Profit as % of Drawdown	286.11%	   Slct. Net Profit as % of
>Drawdown	1052.32%
>Adj. Net Prof as % of Drawdown		   Adj. Net Prof as % of Drawdown	1042.86%
>
>Max. Trade Drawdown	($399.00)
>