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----- Original Message -----
From: "jbclem" <jbclem@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Omega List" <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:45 AM
Subject: Kumho 852 vs. Kumho 857, tires that is. And how about them
Michelins?
> In my two week quest to find the right tires for my 1983 Westphalia, I had
> the following email exchanges with a
> Kumho tech support man. I'm copying them into this message for those who
> are interested. Kumho does make the 857 in 205/75/14 size but
unfortunately
> seems to be out of them at the moment. I'm waiting breathlessless for the
> boat to come in...could be this week, could be next month, sez Kumho.
>
> What a frustrating trial this has been just to find tires for my car.
Not
> one tire store(out of almost 10) has called me back with information. I
did
> go to Sears tonight and kept the poor salesperson at her computer for 25
> minutes as we went through every single tire in the possible Vanagon sizes
> (185 R14, 195 75 14, 195 70 14, 205 70 14, 205 75 14). And they had a
> Michelin XC LT4 on the wall so I could see it was a very good looking
tire,
> probably perfect for my needs. But Sears charges extra for
> mounting/balancing, stem, tire disposal which together with tax add about
> $25 to the retail Michelin price of $110.00. If anyone can steer me to a
> discount Michelin tire store, anywhere in the Los Angeles area, but
> especially WLA and the Valley, I'd really appreciate it.
>
> John
>
>
> Kumho emails below:
>
> John,
>
> The 857 and the 852 will provide equal traction for the conditions you
> are talking about, and both have 10/32" of tread depth. The tread design
of
> the 857 will provide better on-road handling over the 852 in wet and snow
> conditions. Traction for off-road conditions would be comparable to a
> passenger tire. If you want optimum off road handling, I would suggest an
> All Terrain tire over our tires.
> The 857 is the next generation of small, commercial grade tires. The only
> difference between the two is sidewall construction and tread design. The
> tread design of the 852 has been basically the same for 2 decades, so it
was
> time to move to a more modern design. If you have any other questions
please
> advise.
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: jbclem [mailto:jbclem@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:01 AM
> To: Aaron Smith
> Subject: Re: RE:857 question
>
>
> Hi, thanks for your reply. I have one other question: I've seen photos
of
> the 852 and the 857 and there is a difference in the thread design. The
857
> has a straight center groove and the outer grooves look, in the picture,
to
> be less agressive, and not as deep. Could you comment on the differences,
> especially considering my need which is a tire that will help me when I
> cross a creek everyday and sometimes get stuck in the mud on either side.
> I live on a dirt road, but most of my driving when I leave the creek and
> dirt road is highway driving. I'm looking for a tire that will help with
> the mud but won't been too noisy on the highway. I drive a 1983 VW
Camper,
> and the 852s were been recommended by other VW camper owners when they
were
> available.
>
> Is the 857 an improvement over the 852, and why is it...or is it a
> marketing compromise. It would help if you could enlighten me in this
> matter. Apparently I can get an 852 from Atlanta if I want to spend the
> extra money for shipping costs.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> John Clemens
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aaron Smith
> To: jbclem@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:37 AM
> Subject: RE:857 question
>
>
>
> John,
>
> The 857 is a replacement for the 852. It is marketed as a
trailer
> tire due to it's load capacity, but the tread is designed to provide good
> traction for truck applications. It will work in mud and snow, but has
> never been tested by U.S. DOT, so there is no M&S rating. Tread depth is
> 10/32"
> I have talked with several people that have installed the 857 on their
> VW vans, and I have yet to hear any complaints. Hope this info helps, any
> other questions please advise.
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron Smith
> KUMHO Technical Support
> 330-670-2644
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jbclem@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jbclem@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:13 PM
> To: techsupport@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: New Comment has been received
>
>
> New e-mail has been received from
>
> JOHN CLEMENS
> jbclem@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ,Malibu,CA 90265
>
>
> Comment:
> I'm trying find Kumho 852 tires for a 1983 VW Vanagon camper. I'm
told
> that the 857 is a replacement, but on your very frustrating website it is
> listed as a "trailer" tire. Could you tell me what the differences are
> between these two tires? Are they M + S rated? I notice a difference in
the
> center thread design between the two, but I can't find the information
about
> the thread depth for the 852. I'd like to find a tire as close to the 852
as
> possible, if the 852 isn't available. Thanks, John
>
> Kumho
>
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