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Thanks good post.

Robert


, SHAWN wrote:
>Brian Massey wrote:
>>Stocks are attractive because there's so many liquid markets 
>>available and if you can trade futures succesfully (even moderately) 
>>(i.e. S+P) you should be able to trade a market like DELL or INTC or 
>>MSFT or LU well using just Level 1 information.  But I would make 
>>certain that the reason why a felt I wanted to switch was to reduce 
>>slippage and not some other more fundamental trading reason.  I 
>>would ask myself if faster execution is really going to improve my 
>>bottom line.
>
>Here's my take on a couple of points I've seen so far in this 
>discussion. First, the one thing I like about stocks vs. futures, and 
>this is purely my spin, is there is no expiration. You can't play 
>contango, backwardation and roll games, but that's OK by me. I never 
>was good at those games anyway.
>
>Secondly, Brian wrote above, about trading DELL, INTC, MSFT, LU. In 
>my opinion those stocks that are the most visible and liquid are the 
>hardest to trade. Look at it from the standpoint of Goldman or 
>Merrill. If you have 10 times the volume of trades in DELL as you do 
>in WXYZ, wouldn't you put your best trader on DELL, and train your 
>greener traders on WXYZ? I would. You know they have a bigger book in 
>those big stocks, and more turns per day, so you know they put their 
>best sharks on them. They just have more exposure.
>
>The final thing I have to add at this time is about information. When 
>I started SOES trading I had moved over from futures trading. I felt 
>in futures trading, the more info you have the better off you are. It 
>was hard to get rid of that idea in SOES trading. But the simple fact 
>was that the best traders in my shop were the ones who had no 
>market opinion, didn't watch CNBC, didn't read WSJ, didn't care what 
>the news was. They just traded stocks on momentum. It was really hard 
>to clear my mind, not have opinions about what should happen, and 
>have the discipline to let the prices solely guide me. But I became a 
>much better Level II trader when I did that.
>
>Furthermore, some of the best money I made was trading stocks I had 
>no idea what they wer, what industry they were in, what the news 
>was, or anything about them other than their ticker symbol. We'd 
>watch New Highs/Lows after 10:30 and pick up a flyer or death-spiral 
>now and then and just go with the flow. And some of those flows were 
>huge. 
>
>I could write a book about what I've learned about Level II trading, 
>and the games people play. Maybe I should ; > )
>
>Just my $0.02.
>
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