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Because for rules to be useful you have to read them, follow them and
finally, learn to make money without them. That's way too much for
most people.
JO
--- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ariel Devulsky" <arielx@xxxx>
wrote:
> Why not send the rules list or create rules and send to new menbers?
>
>
>
> Read The Fuckinī Manual!
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: manohohman
> To: Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 3:40 PM
> Subject: [Metastockusers] Re: Group benefits and Whining
>
>
> Kevin, I agree completely with Martin's post. On this site and
the
> other Metastock site there are too many people who won't bother
to
> look in the manual or use the help screen and it's not because
they
> don't think to do it, they just don't want to "think" period.
>
> In addition, a lot of people think everything should be "free"
and if
> it's not, they'll try to find some place to steal it from. These
> people want to be "traders". If you're willing to lose your
capital
> account but spend nothing on your education, you're not a trader,
> you're a moron.
>
> I post on this and the other site constantly. I get a lot of
email
> wanting questions answered, or my entire trading system, or help
> learning to trade, or emails that are filled with general
insults.
>
> They all want "free" help, but the help isn't free. It costs me a
lot
> of time and my time is valuable. Ninety percent of the people who
are
> asking me for stuff don't treat my time like it's valuable. In
fact,
> if I tell them in a polite way that I can't help them learn to
trade,
> or I'm not going to give away my systems unless they have
something
> to share, I usually get a terse response implying something nasty
> about my character.
>
> Many of the emails I receive act as if they have a right to
answers
> because this is a MS support group. That's BS. Kevin, you are
right,
> no one has to answer any body's question. I've made the mistake
of
> answering some that I should have skipped, and I wound up paying
for
> it.
>
> I would appreciate it if you would do what I've been doing. Start
> posting all kinds of references, indicator code, systems code,
> answering people's programming problems, etc. and then you'll get
to
> see what I've been seeing everyday, and you won't like it.
>
> Martin may not have been eloquent, but he was right. Newbie's get
> pissed off when I, or someone else, tell them to read the manual
or
> use the help screen. They fire back a nasty email saying they
tried
> to read the manual but what they want to know is not in there.
Huffy,
> huffy, huffy. In addition to my career, I spent 30 years as a
college
> professor at 4 different universities. In the last ten years,
I've
> seen the same thing. Students don't want to bother reading
anything,
> or researching to find their own answers. I'm suppose to tell
them
> everything they need to know, and I should never ask them a
question
> on an exam I didn't tell them the answer too! Well here's an
answer.
> Get off your lazy ass, put your brain in gear, or learn to
say "Would
> you like that supersized," sir?
>
> I wonder how these people think I learned to program, or where
all
> the references I post come from. I guess I just woke up with them
on
> my pillow. I worked 17 hours yesterday. Six hours trading, and
eleven
> hours testing equations I found in reference books. In a few days
> I'll get tons of requests wanting me to tell them what I found so
> they don't have to spend 11 hours themselves. Some of what I
learned
> I might share, and some of it I won't. Whatever I choose to share
is
> a gift.
>
> Sure there are some great people on here, and on the other board.
I
> correspond with some of them. We exchange ideas, code and
systems. WE
> EXCHANGE!
>
> Everytime I've asked anyone on here to share their systems or
code,
> even if it isn't good, they decline. Surprise, surprise,
surprise.
> Their work is too important, or secret, to share.
>
> I've done a number of postings lately trying to elevate the
amount of
> discussion, references, sharing, and exchanging that goes on on
this
> board, and the other one, so the board is not merely a forum for
> people who can't read.
>
> There has been a slight increase in the amount of sharing but
it's
> not nearly where it should be.
>
> I'll keep posting as long as I feel I have the time and energy,
but
> I'm also going to speak my mind about some of the garbage that
goes
> on. It mostly falls on deaf years I know, but that's okay because
> I've given away enough that once in-a-while I get to whine.
>
> JO
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Kevin <kevin_barry@xxxx>
wrote:
> > Hello Martin,
> >
> > I think that your posting is a little unfair. I am not sure if
you
> are
> > referring to any group members in particular but I must say
that no
> > postings on this forum in recent times have evoked anything
close
> to a
> > similar reaction in me. Sure, there are often questions posted
that
> could
> > be answered by looking in the respective manual but, in my
> experience, not
> > everybody automatically thinks of doing that. Indeed, the
> apparently
> > obvious questions are sometimes quite thought-provoking and,
> personally
> > speaking, I have got answers here to questions that I would
never
> even have
> > thought of asking.
> >
> > There is no obligation to respond to any posting and the nature
of
> the post
> > is more often than not pretty obvious immediately. So, if it is
> going to be
> > an irritation to you, why not just delete it immediately? What
> impresses me
> > are the regular contributors who are quick to respond to pleas
for
> help,
> > however simple or stupid, and are extremely generous with their
> knowledge
> > and experience. Without the questions, the rest of us might
never
> get to
> > hear these guys speak.
> >
> > I also get the impression that you are a little contemptuous of
> people who
> > seem to be asking for something for nothing. Personally, I am
in
> complete
> > agreement with what I think that you are saying, i.e. if one
uses
> tools in
> > order to make money then those tools should be paid for.
However,
> you may
> > not realise that, in addition to people who trade
professionally or
> > part-time, there are many people who are attracted to the idea
of
> trading
> > and enjoy associating with the trading community, hobby-traders
if
> you
> > like, who do not actually trade. There is a chap who attends my
> investment
> > club meetings who has an in-depth knowledge of the market and
is an
> expert
> > in several trading techniques. He occasionally lectures on
various
> subjects
> > and he is actually pretty good at it. He has never placed a
trade
> in his
> > life. Do I begrudge him collecting a bit of free software,
> downloading free
> > end-of-day prices and playing around with them in his spare
time?
> No. As
> > far as I can see, people like him are doing none of us any harm
> whatsoever.
> >
> > A forum such as this needs lots of input at all levels in order
to
> stay
> > alive. I sincerely hope that nobody is ever reluctant to post
> because they
> > think that their contribution may not be worthy.
> >
> > Viva la difference.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> >
> > At 12:29 22/11/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Hi folks,
> > >
> > >in my opinion to share is just fair. Everyone that is a member
of
> > >this group should try to contribute to the benefits of the
whole
> > >group, not just ask (simple and stupid stuff) and take. This
doen't
> > >not mean that a newbie shouldn't post his or her questions.
But
> what
> > >about first trying to solve the problem by yourself and show
the
> > >group the results of this effort and then ask the question.
> > >
> > >But now FREE - for all of you not wanting to share and just
begging
> > >for 'free stuff':
> > >
> > >John Slauson from Adaptick is giving away for free
> > >
> > >Adaptick Trend Index
> > >Adaptick Pivot Volume indicator
> > >Adaptick Volume Acceleration Index
> > >17-page Adobe PDF Manual for reference and intepretation
> > >
> > >http://www.adaptick.com/3-pack/index.html
> > >
> > >pretty useful and - did I mention it - free (you dont have to
> > >contribute ;-)!
> > >
> > >Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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