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Re: Naz 100 futures buy and hold system



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Lionel,

It's probably "Thirteen against the bank" by Norman Leigh.

Pierre Tremblay

Lionel Issen a écrit :

> This was published as fiction in a pocket book about 30 years ago. I
> don't remember the title, but it probably was something about
> gambling, like gambling, roulette, or break the bank. Since the system
> was the reverse of conventional wisdom, the Martindale. it just might
> work.Lionel Issen
> lissen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Macromnt@xxxxxxx
>      To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>      Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:53 PM
>      Subject: Re: Naz 100 futures buy and hold system
>       In a message dated 7/13/01 4:24:24 PM Eastern Daylight
>      Time,
>      gcwallace@xxxxxxxx writes:
>
>
>
>     > No
>     > money management system can turn a net losing game or
>     > system into a
>     > winner.
>     >
>
>
>      Hi!
>
>      I am sorry to disagree. As a matter of fact to take the same
>      example of
>      roulette it has been done. About 25 years ago a group of
>      Englishmen went
>      around the casinos of Europe and won playing with a money
>      management system
>      that was exacly the opposite of the classical martingal:
>      each time they were
>      losing they were reducing there bets but were letting their
>      profits run up to
>      the casino limit when they had a winning strike. I don't
>      remember the details
>      but very quickly they were not allowed to step in any
>      casino. They were
>      putting the casinos in the position of the beginner gambler
>      who plays a
>      martingale. But we agree on this : this is your
>      anti-martingale. For me an
>      anti martingale is money management.
>
>      There are some other martingales that are a little bit more
>      subtil that
>      sinply doubling every losing bet. For instance you write a
>      column with the
>      following numbers:
>      1
>      2
>      2
>      1
>      2
>      2
>      You first bet will be 3 (the sum of the first and the last
>      number). If you
>      win you cross the first and the last number and your next
>      bet is 4 (the sum
>      of the first and the last remaining number). If you lose you
>      writ the amount
>      of your first bet at the bottom of the column and you gamble
>      the sum of the
>      first and the last (4). And so on till you have crossed all
>      the numbers. then
>      you start a new columd. It works most of the time... till it
>      does not work.
>
>      Anyway all those martingale end up with ruin and even if
>      they did not the
>      potential profit is far to small in comparaison with the
>      capital engaged. If
>      teh capitalization needed to trade this system (and to lose)
>      on the Nasdaq
>      would have been over $1M starting when the Nasdaq was
>      between 4000 and 5000,
>      what would have happened if the Nasdaq had gone up to 6000.
>      The (lucky)
>      investor would have had one position winning and the gain
>      would have been
>      very small compared with the reserve needed tro trade this
>      martingale to the
>      current Nasdaq level (assuming that it does not go lower).
>
>      About money management turning a losing game into a winner
>      it seems to me
>      that trading the markets does not have a psoitive
>      expectation if you take
>      into account slippage and commissions. If we make money on
>      the markets if
>      thanks to good money management. You can object that the
>      stock market has a
>      positive expectation because it ALWAYS goes up over a long
>      period of time.
>      However the studies shows that this long period of time is
>      75 years and I am
>      not ready to wait so long to make sure that history repeats
>      itself.
>
>
>
>