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A bit nonsense.  There is no correlation 
between being religious and being moral.  It was the Catholic church 
that introduced and used burning at the stake for "heretics"
Lionel Issen<A 
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  Erik C. Olson 
  To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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  Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:35 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Religion
  I'm with Ullrich on this one.  His list of religions' 
  institutional contributions (medicine, universal education, etc.) to 
  civilization is worth rereading.  And that list could go on and on.  
  Furthermore, a fair reading of history shows that the vast majority of the 
  contributions he cites came from adherents of one major world religion in 
  particular. 
  I daresay most current members of Western society don't even begin to 
  recognize the extent to which the elements of our culture and society which 
  they most prize--concepts like equality, freedom of conscience, freedom of 
  speech, freedom of assembly, due process, the rule of law, humane treatment 
  and roughly symmetrical punishment of criminals, the care of the 
  disadvantaged, and on and on and on and on--are the product of a 
  Judeo-Christian heritage.  Many intellectual historians would also 
  attribute the flowering of scientific inquiry and technological innovation in 
  Western civilization to that same Judeo-Christian heritage. 
  Incidentally, it is far from true that "religion" in general has led to 
  more deaths than the plague, AIDS, cancer, etc.  There indeed have been 
  particular religious movements at certain points in history that readily 
  killed non-adherents.  But in most cases these movements have been the 
  exception, not the norm, and often the violence is more parsimoniously 
  explainable in political, economic, territorial, and/or ethnic/cultural terms 
  than in essentially religious/doctrinal terms. 
  Moreover, the deadliest movements in history have been explicitly non- or 
  anti-religious.  Remarkably many of these came just in the past century, 
  and from leaders whose anti-religious rhetoric and values were 
  well-established: Stalin, Mao, Hitler, and their proteges. 
  Anyhow, enough for one message.  Thanks for the dialogue. 
  Regards, Erik 
  "Genevieve, Louisa, Herve" wrote: 
  
    
    Point taken. I agree things are more complex 
    than just black and white. i just hope bush knows it too.<FONT 
    face=Arial>Herve 
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      <A title=uf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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      To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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      Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 
      8:09 PM
      Subject: RE: 
      Religion True, but on the other hand, religion has produced 
      Mother Teresa, the preservation of what was left of human knowledge and 
      history during the dark ages, medical care for countless people who 
      otherwise would have died without it,  basic education for countless 
      people who otherwise would have remained illiterate, etc. etc. etc.  
      It is not all black ... or white. 
      The dark side of religion as represented today by the fundamentalists 
      of all stripes continues as always to push humanity back to the Dark Ages. 

      This time, the US really is on the side of the angels. 
      Has anyone thought of a possible link between Falwell and his posse and 
      the Islamic terrorists?  They do seem to be demanding similar changes 
      in US society.   
      At 9/16/2001 08:33 AM, Genevieve, Louisa, Herve wrote: 
      <FONT 
        color=#0000ff>I could not agree more. Religion (any of 
        them) must have killed more people than plague, aids and cancer put 
        together! God is just a poor excuse for not taking responsability for 
        our own action and destiny. Religion is the worst plague than humanity 
        never had to fight. <FONT 
        color=#0000ff>Herve 
        
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          voltage 
          Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:25 AM 
          To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          Subject: Religion   
          Throughout history it has been the 
          excuse of all radical fundamentalists as an excuse for murder.Lets 
          restart day one with no religion to compensate for those lowest common 
          denominators.We are the masters of our own destiny,not 
          "God"