Re: [RT] Just some water, gas, ethanol stuff for a sunday read

Subject: Re: [RT] Just some water, gas, ethanol stuff for a sunday read

Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:11:16 -0400

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You may be right. I am not around any unhappey people. Most that I know are very happey and doing well. And I am not from the midwest.

But the ones I know and have done bussiness with from the midwest seemed just fine.

But you are correct about them maybe having many things to worry about.

They don't get the pay, but they basicly run the world. Without them there would be nothing. There ar many companies that we could do without. But not farmers.

It would be nice if they could be paid on a scale like oil companies CEOs or Food company CEOs. The pay scale in the world is all out of wack. Farmers maybe should be one of the highest paid. Maybe one day in the future. But I won't hold my breath.

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From: Robert Arbuckle

To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [RT] Just some water, gas, ethanol stuff for a sunday read

Farmers are usually happy? lol .. you are NOT from the Midwest! There is no such thing as a happy farmer regardless of what crop prices or yields are. There are always more things to worry about than to be happy about and *that* is the nature of the American farmer.

Bob

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 6:14 PM, LB <nsite@xxxxxxxxxxxcom> wrote:

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6. Farmers are usually happy. That is just the way most of them are.

7. Farmers have to deal with prices no matter what they are.

$1.50, $2.50, $3.50, or $8 corn.   Just life I guess.

Anyway, most will not set home and worry about corn. Come to tink of it. Maybe the farmer will, but most won't.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Ross

To: realtraders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:07 AM

Subject: RE: [RT] Just some water, gas, ethanol stuff for a sunday read

Yes, all that corn converted to gas. That will be great for the world's population that depends on corn to live. They'll starve. Mexican's already protested in Mex City over being unable to afford tortillas…their staple. Farmers will be very happy with the higher prices and subsidies as well.

From: realtraders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:realtraders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LB
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:42 AM
To: realtraders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RT] Just some water, gas, ethanol stuff for a sunday read

If we can figure a way to go all ethanol or at least 50-50. Things would be better for all.   Now in our area we are all E-85 and working great.

Some perspective on water use

Here are some numbers on water use taken from the US Geological survey and from the US Environmental Protection Agency fondly known as the EPA. The Anti-ethanol crowd loves to pound us on water usage-----here are some facts/comparisons on water usage in US.

>62,000 gallons of water per ton of manufactured steel

>39,090 gallons of water to manufacture a new car/tires.

>28,100 gallons to process a ton of beet sugar

>1,500 gallons to process a barrel of beer (I've heard a lot of good reports about this beverage and may have to try it sometime)

>107,000 gallons used in the average home each year

>24 gallons used to produce a pound of plastic

>101 gallons to produce a pound of cotton

>300 million gallons used each day to print US newspapers---150 gallon per Sunday paper

>3 gallons of water used per gallon of ethanol produced.

Also, In aggregate, corn returns more moisture to the atmosphere than it withdraws from ground and surface water. The entire US corn crop is returning nearly 290 billion gallons of water per day to the atmosphere through transpiration. (The process by which water vapor escapes from the living plant, principally the leaves, and enters the atmosphere.)

Comparing Energy to Energy

Gasoline

Did you know it takes 23 per cent more fossil energy to create a gallon of gasoline than that gallon of gasoline itself contains?

Ethanol

Did you know it takes 22 per cent less fossil energy to create an equivalent amount of energy in ethanol?   An added plus is that the higher octane in ethanol allows it to burn more completely, therefore cleaner.

In either case, it is all about converting one form of energy to another that is useable and in demand in the market place.

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