Re: [RT] Mentor: More Mental Game Than Otherwise

["Dimpil" <dimpil@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Bob, why would you say 
that?  Anyone can change and view things differently if they are willing to 
make the changes within themselves.  That is a part of our humanness.  
For example, Madonna, she has changed a lot since she first came to fame.  
I only use her because she lives in the spot light and you can see her growth 
from her first interview/music to current day interviews/music.  Part of 
life is about experiences and how those experiences impact, subtle or 
explosive.
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  Game Than Otherwise
  BobOf course, we are all individuals so I can't speak for you 
  but you are looking to be trained/taught something that resides inside of 
  you.  It is a product of your upbringing.  Your values.  Your 
  life's experiences.  For someone else with different ideas brought on by 
  their own experiences would be most difficult to pass on to you, with 
  yours.  Even the trading itself is, in part, a product of your 
  personality and what works for me, may well not work for you since our 
  personalities and life's experiences differ.  Only you can add to your 
  emotional account since only you have the assets and baggage which must be a 
  part of any change in that area.  In my opinion, you would be wasting 
  your time and money to attempt to bring in alien concepts to your 
  landscape.  I do wish you well in your 
  quest.BobAt 10:37 AM 12/17/2002 -0700, you wrote:
  I really love all the feedback 
    about getting/having a mentor.But I should have been more specific from 
    the outset:I feel my challenges (and therefore my needs) are 
    morealong the lines of my mental game.  I have certain"support 
    and resistance" levels in my mental game thathinder my growth as a 
    trader.I would like to find someone who is an expert at 
    assistingothers in overcoming mental roadblocks and what I 
    call"psychological capital drainage" factors.For me, I have 
    found that on any given day, after earlymorning self-analysis, there's a 
    certain amount ofemotional capital that I have to work with.  
    I've found that the amount of emotional capital that Ihave in my 
    "mental account" at any given time is of moreimportance than any amount 
    of capital that's in mytrading account.Bottom line is this: I 
    have challenges with growing thatamount of emotional capital -- by 
    growing through mychallenges (hopefully with the assistance of a 
    "mentalmentor" if you will) I will be able to grow my 
    financialaccount as well.Soooo.....With all that in mind 
    -- could someone recommend aone-on-one counselor, coach, mentor, or 
    otherwise whoyou are confident can assist me in growing throughmy 
    challenges?Thanks again to all who are so kind and generous 
    withtheir time to reply.Warmly,Brian Keith 
    VoilesAt 10:31 PM 12/16/2002 -0500, you wrote:
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        From: mandrews@xxxxxxxxxxx 

        To: Norman Winski 
        Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:11 PM 
        Subject: Re: [RT] Seeking a Mentor to Take Me Higher
        Norman, 
        Well said. I've always enjoyed reading your posts. The last time we 
        spoke via e-mail, you mentioned that trading with Astrology one has to 
        trade a particular market only if it happens to play the right tune on 
        that specific date. If it doesn't happen to play the right tune when the 
        date comes, then you stand aside. I realize it's not easy to make money 
        in the market, if it were then everyone would be doing it, but how do 
        you know a particular market has played the right tune until it's 
        already finished it's song? 
         
        NW: Mat, one doesn't have to hear the entire 
        song in order to "name that tune:" Most people can identify Beethoven's 
        Fifth Symphony  after hearing the first four notes.  Same is 
        true for the market. 
        If my analysis and forecast say to 
        expect  A A B AA  and the market plays BB B CC  I know my 
        forecast is not in tune with the market. If the market shows signs of 
        matching what I expect, then there is a good chance my analysis is in 
        tune with the market and I should consider entering the market.  
        
        Mat
        P.S. I've always felt that if one could trade the markets 
        successfully for a living, then they wouldn't need to sell 
        books/systems/courses/indicators, etc... 
         
        NW: I say, why not do both?  I trade 
        and I enjoy meeting and helping people.  Each brings me 
        satisfaction that only doing one wouldn't do. 
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        DN,
        Per your question below, trigger shyness can be fixed with practice. 
        First start with paper trading your system exactly to the rules, 
        assuming you have rules or a system. Hopefully, after seeing your system 
        successfully work on paper for at least six months, you may decide you 
        are ready to trade real money. Now trade the same system using such a 
        minimal amount of money that if all went wrong, it wouldn't phase you. 
        You should grade your performance as much by how well you followed your 
        rules as you judge the system. Making money on a trade where you didn't 
        follow the rules is a bad trade. Losing money while following the rules 
        is a good trade. If your system works and you follow it, you will make 
        money in the long run. If you had trouble following your rules, you 
        either need a different system or consider changing to a non financial 
        venture such as Parchesi where you won't h
        Next patient! <G>
        Regards,
        Dr. Norm 
        Your Trading Doc
        P.S. I sense with all the books and software you have, you may be 
        suffering from 
        analysis paralysis. The answer of course is to simplify!! Get a 
        simple system written 
        down on paper that you can follow like a robot. You should not be 
        making any decisions 
        during market hours. All strategies should be determined in advance. 
        Just follow what you 
        have laid out in advance just as you were a robot. No thinking 
        allowed. 
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: XINOS@xxxxxxx 
        To: nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:35 PM 
        Subject: Re: [RT] Seeking a Mentor to Take Me Higher
        Norm, 
        Great advice to Brian. 
        Can you recommend any books/gurus/courses on EOD trading in the 
        Stock Market? 
        I have accumulated about $5,000 worth of books and about $10,000 
        worth of software ((now u sing AIQ mostly) Advanced Get occasionally). 
        I'm a reluctant "trigger-puller." I've been a "student" for about 
        six years. 
        Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
        Dan Nicholas; San Diego<FONT 
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