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Cocoa: "No flames, but the smoke sure stinks".



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Tony writes:

"Believe me, I have no intention of getting sucked into an off topic 
"Flaming Match"
with anyone".

Steve replies:

Your attitude has already created the largest distraction this list has
seen over the last few months (since Gary OJ has left).  Some "real
traders" have been trading many "real markets" (not just four)  since
"B.D." (before disco).  

I've shared innovative systems and approaches with many kind traders
(mostly, on the MetaStock forum) for the last couple of years.  Attached is
a gif of a custom formula called the Kaleidoscope and another gif of a
systematic approach to the Cocoa market that has chalked profits on 20 of
the 30 trades this year.

If you want me to "share" these formulas, approaches and my twenty five
years of research with you...you are going to have to stop insulting me and
fellow list members.  Arrogance is not a good substitute for confidence. 
Try to realize that many of the people who "lurk" on this list were "real
traders" before you were born.  
Some own seats on the exchanges, some are CTA's, some are brokers, but none
have ruffled feathers like your recent posts have.

Cut the crap and people will help you...continue to dribble and you will
suffer isolation and insults.  Your ability to accumulate additional
knowledge from list members is probably directly proportionate to how you
are perceived on the list. If I were you, I would start doing "damage
control".   Try blowing kisses to the list.

Happy Trades,
Steve Karnish


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> From: Tony Parker <tgparker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Looking For Other Cocoa Traders!
> Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 9:46 PM
> 
> Richard:
> 
> I'm really surprised to find that we don't quite see eye to eye on this
issue.
> 
> I'm a Trader, I am not a Vendor, nor a CTA. I'm not promoting or selling
any product
> or service. I am here to learn about and improve my trading skills and
discuss
> trading .... with other bona fide traders.
> 
> I would like to be able to do so without fear of getting inundated with
SPAM for
> "miracle million dollar trading systems", "wonder brokerage houses", or
"genius
> CTA's", "Amazing New Newsletters", "Briliant Market analysis", and the
rest of all
> the Snake Oil that's get's peddled to the members of this mailling
list...etc...
> Does anyone really have a problem with that?
> 
> I have a perfect right to protect myself against SPAM and attempts by
vendors to
> SPAM me..
> 
> The score of  helpful, straighforward answers to my simple direct
Non-Spamming
> questions far out-numbered the minority of "ankle-biters".
> 
> What this demonstrates is that the majority of persons who read my e-mail
quite
> properly concluded that my ANT-SPAM warning neither applied to them nor
was in any
> way threatening. They also saw fit to reply to me in a most helpful
manner.
> 
> The really interesting observation is that the almost all the
"ankle-biters" are
> either Vendors, or CTA's, and have historically been the most serious
SPAM offenders
> on this list.
> 
> In this age of SPAM it is quite common practice and acceptable
"nettiquette" to
> employ a whole variety of anti-SPAM techniques, from "NOSPAM" return
e-mail
> addresses, and the inclusions of DIRE WARNINGS against SPAM in Maillist
and
> Newsgroup e-mail.
> 
> Again, my only comment is for you to consider that the "source" of the
"issue
> taking" e-mail  are the notorious SPAMMERS on this list.
> 
> All proper decent germane responses have been profusely thanked &
responded to
> courteously and properly with sincere gratitude.
> 
> Believe me, I have no intention of getting sucked into an off topic 
"Flaming Match"
> with anyone.
> 
> Tony Parker
> 
> Richard wrote:
> 
> > "I'm sorry for making an unsolicited threat" would have been a more
> > appropriate response here, expecially considering that you are seeking
> > fundamental information from other traders.
> >
> > >Dear OatTrader:
> > >
> > >The only person(s) who could find any valid reasons to fear or see a
> > >threat in my
> > >posting(s), would be someone who had been contemplating SPAMMING me in
the
> > >first
> > >place.
> > >
> > >Is somebody suffering from Self-Centered Fear generated by a Guilty
Conscience,
> > >Perhaps?
> > >
> > >Did I really get that close to the mark? So why else would anyone be
so
> > >desperate
> > >in trying to make their problem my problem?
> > >
> > >Tony
> > >
> > >OatTrader@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mr. Parker,
> > >>
> > >>      Traders such as myself and I'm sure many others do not mind
helping less
> > >> experienced traders achieve a better understanding of the markets if
that
> > >> trader just asks nicely without references to "mailbombs" or other
"related
> > >> viruses." But I simply cannot respect anyone that stoops that low. 
The
> > >> markets that you have mentioned are some of my favorites and have
been best
> > >> campaigns towards profit. But now I will have to check my e-mail
more closely
> > >> especially if it comes from you, because if I write something that
eers you -
> > >> will you send me a bomb too?
> 
> 
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