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Preston:

 

Yes you did send me the pdf file.

 

What I wanted to do  was to be able to find it myself.

 

The problem as that I was using the address in panther’s posting. After some trials I went directly to this group’s site and when I selected the file bearish_stop.pdf up came the posted address with the file.

 

Thanks again for your help and patience.

 

Regards

 

Lionel

 

From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of pumrysh
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:33 AM
To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Short side Trailing Stop

 

Lionel,

Its in the group's file section. You have to sign onto the group
first. Then go to files.

I have also sent you an email with the pdf attached.

Preston

--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Lionel Issen" <lissen@xxx>
wrote:
>
> Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place. Can you post the full site
address
> that hold this file?
>
>
>
> Lionel
>
>
>
> From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of p_panther_73
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:46 AM
> To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Short side Trailing Stop
>
>
>
> You don't really have to search for it. Simply browse the files'
> section. Hope this helps, if not, I really don't know what can be
> wrong since I've opened the file myself just for checking.
>
> Regards,
>
> mc
>
> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lionel Issen"
<lissen@>
> wrote:
> >
> > This time I got the message
> >
> >
> >
> > "We did not find results for: bearish_stop.pdf".
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you give me another address link?
> >
> >
> >
> > Lionel
> >
> >
> >
> > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf Of p_panther_73
> > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:32 AM
> > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Short side Trailing Stop
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, you simply visit the files section, there you'll find a file
> > named bearish_stop.pdf
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > mc
> >
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lionel Issen"
> <lissen@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I used all 3 lines in your address and got this answer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > &#65533;Oops this page appears to be missing&#65533;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you email the file directly to me at lissen@?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Lionel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > On Behalf Of p_panther_73
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 6:20 PM
> > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Short side Trailing Stop
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok, I've just uploaded a chart-file named bearish_stop.pdf
> > >
> > > http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cIDVSKconYmzaWLHTG0-
> > >
>
EYG9OnIXRMMijXH55Y4wBW0D93kxUVyPpxIAlHrSSnRUBzAKkYnCirh4HxEspo6lQac1y
> g
> > > ftuX5689A/bearish_stop.pdf
> > >
> > > Have a look :)
> > >
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> , "p_panther_73"
> <mchantzi@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've tried the code myself and it works.
> > > > As I've said before, you are never going to have stop<=prev
> the
> > > very
> > > > first day since prev for the very fist date will not be
> defined, so
> > > > you'll have a zero! Thus, zero will remain all the way down!
> In the
> > > > case of the bullish stop, things are different (and that
> explains
> > > > you're not getting any error), you're not going to have this
> > > problem
> > > > since stop will ALWAYS be bigger than zero/not defined. If
> someone
> > > > can show me how to upload files, I will show the version I've
> sent.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > mc
> > > >
> > > > P.S Oh and by the way, I don't like this 'guru'-ing calling.
> > > >
> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> , "Edmund Woltynski"
> <edwol@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > MC
> > > > >
> > > > > Bearstop with your change still resolves to zero or false
> � in
> > > > essence the
> > > > > binary Stop<PREV seems to be the issue , the Bullstop &
Bear
> stop
> > > > only
> > > > > differ in the orientation of the operators the seed
> information
> > > is
> > > > similar,
> > > > > why the difference in outcome?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > [mailto:equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of
> p_panther_73
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 20 September 2008 11:13 PM
> > > > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Short side Trailing Stop
> > > > >
> > > > > When we write down 'stop>=prev' we are always going to
> receive a
> > > > > 'true' since prev value of stop was not defined in the very
> past.
> > > > > One way to solve this, is to write down:
> > > > >
> > > > > BearStop :=
> > > > > If(Stop<PREV AND Stop> InitStop, InitStop,If(stop<PREV AND
> > > > > stop<initstop,stop,
> > > > > If(Stop>=PREV,If(DayOfMonth()=day AND Month()=mnth AND
> > > > > Year()=yr,initstop,PREV),Stop*Holdingdays)));
> > > > >
> > > > > This way and if we set our date at the top of an up-trend
> we're
> > > > going
> > > > > to have a trailing until the trend reverses (although at
> this
> > > point
> > > > > our value will stay at its minimum).
> > > > > Anyway, hope this helps,
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > mc
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> , "Edmund
> Woltynski"
> > > > <edwol@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Preston
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The negative is taken care of in the Bearish _expression_
> > > &#65533;
> > > > two
> > > > > negative is a
> > > > > > positive places it above the High.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bull stop indicator is simply the following and ratchets
> up
> > > > correctly:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > InitStop:=Input("Initial Stop",0,100000,0.50);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Index := 100-(100/(1+( PDI(21)/ MDI(21)+0.0001)));
> > > > > > OB:= Index-70;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bullish:= CLOSE-(CLOSE*(OB/100));
> > > > > > Stop:= If(Bullish>=CLOSE,LOW -(Bullish-CLOSE),LOW);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BullStop :=
> > > > > > If(Stop>PREV AND Stop>InitStop,Stop,
> > > > > > If(Stop>PREV AND Stop<InitStop,InitStop,
> > > > > > If(Stop<=PREV,PREV,Stop*Holdingdays)));
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BullStop;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > [mailto: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of
> pumrysh
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 20 September 2008 9:37 AM
> > > > > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Short side Trailing
> Stop
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I actually like your thought process and would love to
see
> the
> > > > > > bullish version. It might also help me to see the error.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About the OS. If you take a value of 30 and subtract the
> index
> > > > from
> > > > > > it you will end up with a number that is less that zero
> most of
> > > > the
> > > > > > time. This my be part of the problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We'll get it figured out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Preston
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> , "Edmund
> Woltynski"
> > > > <edwol@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Preston
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is just an indicator not a system to be displayed
> on a
> > > > chart.
> > > > > > So
> > > > > > > trading rules are a separate issue and relate to how
you
> wish
> > > to
> > > > > > use any
> > > > > > > trailing stop.
> > > > > > > The indicator applied to bar that say at the start of a
> down
> > > > trend
> > > > > > > historically (eg input date) should show get eventually
> > > closer
> > > > to
> > > > > > the top of
> > > > > > > the bar depending on the value of the _expression_ above
> ie
> > > stop.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Everything works correctly except for the BearStop
> > > _expression_.
> > > > For
> > > > > > example
> > > > > > > Plotting a binary say "Stop<PREV AND Stop<
> InitStop,Stop" in
> > > a
> > > > down
> > > > > > trend
> > > > > > > always gives a value of zero and yet "Stop" is non-zero
> and
> > > also
> > > > > > > diminishing. For some reason these Boolean expressions
> seem
> > > to
> > > > not
> > > > > > evaluate
> > > > > > > remaining zero at all times regardless of Stop &
> InitStop
> > > > values.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The converse indicator i.e. reverse the operators (eg
> > > Stop<PREV
> > > > AND
> > > > > > Stop<
> > > > > > > InitStop,Stop to Stop>PREV AND Stop> InitStop,Stop etc
> and
> > > > replace
> > > > > > HIGH with
> > > > > > > LOW throughout the indicator and change OS) works
> correctly
> > > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > long
> > > > > > > side, the trailing stop moves in steps upwards until it
> hugs
> > > the
> > > > > > LOWs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It seems to me that there is something peculiar in the
> way
> > > PREV
> > > > > > works.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > [mailto: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of
> pumrysh
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 19 September 2008 4:28 AM
> > > > > > > To: equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Re: Short side Trailing
> Stop
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I see several problems. It may take a bit before I can
> get it
> > > > > > > resolved.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the meantime can you give me the trading rules you
> wish to
> > > > > > follow?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Preston
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > <mailto:equismetastock%40yahoogroups.com> , "Edmund
> Woltynski"
> > > > > > <edwol@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello Preston and other gurus
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am having some issues with the PREV function (I
> think) in
> > > > > > > developing a
> > > > > > > > trailing stop ratchet (short side). The "BearStop"
> function
> > > > gives
> > > > > > > me a zero
> > > > > > > > for all cases everything else above checkout as I
> expect it
> > > > to. I
> > > > > > > cannot see
> > > > > > > > the flaw in my logic. Any help would be appreciated.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Code:
> > > > > > > > Day:=Input("Day Entered Trade",1,31,19);
> > > > > > > > Mnth:=Input("Month Entered Trade",1,12,4);
> > > > > > > > Yr:=Input("Year Entered Trade",1985,2100,2004);
> > > > > > > > HoldingDays:=BarsSince(Day=DayOfMonth() AND Mnth=Month
> () AND
> > > > > > Yr=Year
> > > > > > > ());
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > InitStop:=Input("Initial Stop",0,100000,1.52);
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Index := 100-(100/(1+( PDI(21)/ MDI(21)+0.0001)));
> > > > > > > > OS:=30-Index;
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bearish:= CLOSE-(CLOSE*(OS/100));
> > > > > > > > Stop:= If(Bearish>=CLOSE,HIGH +(Bearish-CLOSE),HIGH);
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > BearStop :=
> > > > > > > > If(Stop<PREV AND Stop< InitStop,Stop,
> > > > > > > > If(Stop<PREV AND Stop> InitStop, InitStop,
> > > > > > > > If(Stop>=PREV,PREV,Stop*Holdingdays)));
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > {Plot} Bearstop;
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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