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        Patrik Tan,  Please give some feedback as to how this "ICE" 
        works for you. It will be a big help to those of us who are thinking 
        about it. Marshall 
         
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        From: <A 
        href="">equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Date: Wednesday, 
        October 22, 2003 9:51:54 PM
        To: <A 
        href="">equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: Re: 
        [EquisMetaStock Group] Link for New MS Add-on Reviewed
         
        Thanks... Just ordered ICE...
        Appreciate your contribution to this user 
        group...
         
        Warm Regards
        Patrick Tan
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        >From: 
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        href="">manohohman 
        To: <A 
        title=equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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        Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 
        10:43 AM
        Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] 
        Link for New MS Add-on Reviewed
        <A 
        href="">http://www.adaptick.com/This 
        is the link to adaptick.JO--- In <A 
        href="">equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, 
        Keith McDonald <<A 
        href="">kmcdonald@x...> wrote:> Patrick 
        Tan wrote:> > > Hi ,Just wonder if it works on MS 7.2 
        or MS 8.0Please let me know.> >> 
        >      ----- Original Message -----> 
        >      From: manohohman> 
        >      To: <A 
        href="">equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
        >      Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:27 
        AM> >      Subject: [EquisMetaStock 
        Group] New MS Add-on Reviewed> 
        >       I just got an early release 
        copy of a new MS add-on> >      
        called ICE.> >> >      
        Before reviewing the product, here's a disclaimer for all> 
        >      the> 
        >      conspiracy theory compulsives out 
        there. I have no> >      involvement 
        with> >      either Equis or 
        Adaptick, the company who produces the> 
        >      program. I'm> 
        >      not married to the sister of someone 
        who works for either> >      one 
        of> >      them, and nobody there is 
        my cousin. They don't send me> >      
        birthday> >      cards with money 
        inside, and so far neither of company has> 
        >      even> 
        >      bought me a hot dog.> 
        >> >      The product's name is 
        ICE, which tells you absolutely> 
        >      nothing about> 
        >      the program. I will say this: I 
        REALLY LIKE THIS ONE!> >> 
        >      I haven't said that often about any 
        add-on but this time,> >      I 
        really> >      got my money's worth 
        out of it.> >> >      ICE 
        is a specialized system tester program that takes 72> 
        >      indicators> 
        >      and divides them into four relatively 
        uncorrelated> >      categories. 
        The> >      indicators in each 
        category can be tested on and optimized> 
        >      for, any> 
        >      group of stocks in any time 
        frame.> >> >      What this 
        product does is save huge amounts of time and> 
        >      energy when> 
        >      building and testing trading 
        systems.> >> >      All 
        trading systems need some kind of indicators. However,> 
        >      if you are> 
        >      going use two, three or four 
        indicators, each indicator> >      
        should be> >      measuring something 
        different. For example, if you like> 
        >      RSI and> 
        >      Stochastics, fine. Just don't put 
        both of them in your> >      system 
        because> >      you are essentially 
        measuring the same thing with both> 
        >      indicators.> >> 
        >      Both are momentum indicators. RSI 
        measures closing price> >      
        relative to> >      the previous 
        close, and Stoch measures closing price> 
        >      relative to the> 
        >      range. This might sound different, 
        but they're too closely> >      
        correlated> >      to be very 
        effective when used together.> >> 
        >      In the ICE program both of these are 
        considered velocity> >      
        indicators.> >> >      The 
        point of having different indicators is to increase> 
        >      the> 
        >      probability of a good trade by 
        increasing the amount of> >      
        NEW> >      information provided by 
        each indicator. If the indicators> 
        >      are too> 
        >      similar—measuring essentially the 
        same thing—the> >      combination 
        only> >      marginally increases the 
        probability of making a better> 
        >      trade. If the> 
        >      indicators are sufficiently 
        different, then the new> >      
        information makes> >      a larger 
        and more important contribution to the increase> 
        >      in> 
        >      probability of a good entry or exit 
        point.> >> >      However, 
        that's not the end of the story. Even if you have> 
        >      indicators> 
        >      that have very little colinearity 
        (okay, take deep> >      breathes—it 
        means> >      they're measuring the 
        same things—i.e. Points on a> >      
        straight line.)> >      there is 
        still the issue of how well any given indicator> 
        >      works on a> 
        >      group of stocks.> >> 
        >      In a good trading system all the 
        indicators give good> >      signals 
        on the> >      stocks being traded, 
        and they are distinct enough to> 
        >      provide sound> 
        >      entries and exits when used 
        together.> >> >      (I 
        need to pause for a moment to make a small point> 
        >      outside of ICE.> 
        >      With indicators, more is not merrier. 
        The best trading> >      systems 
        keep> >      it simple. As you add 
        more and more indicators to a> >      
        system, the law> >      of 
        diminishing returns sets in and JO's law of paralysis> 
        >      takes over.> 
        >      If you use more then 3 or 4 
        indicators, it gets> >      
        progressively harder> >      to make 
        decisions based on what you're seeing. Half the> 
        >      time you> 
        >      won't even know what you're seeing, 
        much less what to do> >      about 
        it. So> >      basically---KEEP IT 
        SIMPLE!!!!)> >> >      
        After installation, ICE is fully integrated with the> 
        >      systems tester.> 
        >      You pick a couple of indicators in a 
        category, test the> >      indicators 
        on> >      your stocks to see which 
        ones perform the best, and then> 
        >      optimize> 
        >      them. The optimizations are also 
        fully integrated, so you> >      
        don't have> >      to do any 
        programming at all.> >> 
        >      Once you have the optimized 
        indicators, you set them up on> 
        >      chart with> 
        >      a stock and play around a bit with 
        the settings. This how> >      I like 
        to> >      customize. My eyeball 
        tells me things that a mechanical> 
        >      optimization> 
        >      program can't even deal with. Once 
        that's complete, you> >      move to 
        the> >      next indicator in the 
        next category.> >> >      
        After awhile you will have three or four indicators, one> 
        >      from each> 
        >      category,  that fit you, your 
        stocks and your system. They> >      
        will have> >      little colinearity, 
        they will have excellent probability> 
        >      of> 
        >      generating good entry and exit points 
        and you will be well> >      on 
        your> >      way to having a really 
        good trading system.> >> 
        >      No, the program doesn't test chaos 
        theory, Elliot cycles,> >      
        fractals,> >      or hypocycloids of 
        four cusps. This is a good thing> 
        >      because it has> 
        >      been proven over and over, the best 
        systems use the simple> >      
        time> >      tested indicators--and 
        that's it. Two moving averages and> 
        >      some common> 
        >      sense will out perform the stuff I 
        just mentioned. Okay,> >      don't 
        email> >      me about how good 
        Elliot cycles are and how much you love> 
        >      them, etc,> 
        >      etc. Elliot was stranger than Elvis, 
        and Elvis didn't know> >      
        anything> >      about trading 
        stocks. That's all I need to know about> 
        >      Elliot and> 
        >      Gann.> >> 
        >      This program won't help you write rap 
        music, or find> >      exotic 
        patterns> >      in the futures 
        markets, but it will save you tons of time> 
        >      and money> 
        >      trying to come with a system that 
        works.> >> >      Here's a 
        real life example—mine. I have written and> 
        >      developed two> 
        >      really, really good systems. (No, I 
        won't give them to> >      you. No, 
        I> >      won't sell them to you. 
        Don't bother!) But like all> >      
        Americans (and> >      the Chinese 
        too), I'm never happy with what I have, so I> 
        >      wanted a> 
        >      third one that did something that my 
        first two didn't. My> >      
        original> >      systems gave very 
        accurate entry and exits signals but> 
        >      they didn't> 
        >      tell when I should be piling more 
        money into what looked> >      like a 
        good> >      trend. While it's not 
        possible to tell how long a trend> 
        >      will last, it> 
        >      is definitely possible to tell when a 
        particular trend is> >      stronger 
        or> >      weaker. In other words, 
        when should I risk more or risk> 
        >      less.> >> 
        >      I started working on the system a 
        couple of weeks ago, and> >      went 
        about> >      solving the problem of 
        when to increase my trade risk> 
        >      first. After> 
        >      that was solved, the indicators that 
        I added initially to> >      the 
        system> >      seemed to perform only 
        so, so. After getting ICE, I read> 
        >      the manual> 
        >      (which is still a work in progress, 
        but since none of you> >      seem 
        to> >      read manuals anyway that 
        shouldn't be a problem), sat down> 
        >      at the> 
        >      computer and in less than two hours 
        finished the system.> >      I've set 
        it> >      up, traded with it, and 
        I'm pleased to say---I LOVE THIS> 
        >      SYSTEM, I> 
        >      REALLY LOVE THIS SYSTEM. Next week 
        I'm going to buy it a> >      three 
        stone> >      diamond ring, I love it 
        so much. Now, if it could only> 
        >      tell me it> 
        >      loved me back!> >> 
        >      If I had had this product a few years 
        ago, it would have> >      saved 
        me> >      hundreds of hours in 
        system development and testing time.> 
        >      That was> 
        >      such grinding work, I had days when I 
        thought I saw> >      Elvis—sorry 
        I> >      mean Gann.> 
        >> >      You know the only thing 
        that could be better than this is> 
        >      if I could> 
        >      tell you it was FREE, FREE, FREE! 
        That is, after all, your> >      
        favorite> >      word. Alias, it's 
        not. BUT ALMOST.> >> >      
        If you buy it before the official release date, it's only> 
        >      $99 instead> 
        >      of $299. Well, hold my hand, I can't 
        believe it. It's> >      true, and 
        I> >      will tell you I would have 
        paid many times that amount for> 
        >      all the> 
        >      time and energy it would have saved 
        me when I first> >      
        started> >      developing my own 
        systems.> >> >      You can 
        read about it at www.adpatick.com.> >> 
        >      I guess before I finish I need to 
        confess. No I'm not John> >      
        Slauson,> >      the guy who wrote 
        ICE. Yeah, I know JO is really similar> 
        >      to JS—at> 
        >      least to some of you Sherlock Holmes 
        want-ta-be's. Given> >      the 
        millions> >      of possible name 
        combinations JO and JS aren't even> 
        >      remotely> 
        >      related.> >> 
        >      My confession is about cycles. I do 
        rely on some cycle> >      
        information.> >      You can find it 
        at> >      <A 
        href="">http://www.fourpillars.net/finance/predic.html.> 
        >      This is the most accurate cycle 
        information I've ever> >      seen. 
        If you> >      don't believe me, use 
        it for awhile. You'll see.  I've> 
        >      named my dog> 
        >      Yang.> >> 
        >      JO> >> 
        >      PS Some of you know I recommend John 
        Clayburg's book Four> >      Steps 
        to> >      Trading Success. John has 
        developed a very sophisticated,> 
        >      effective,> 
        >      yet easy to use set of indicators 
        based on the RSI, Stoch> >      and 
        %R. It> >      would seem that these 
        have too much colinearity to be> 
        >      effective. Doc> 
        >      Clayburg has solved that problem 
        through the use of time> >      
        frames. Time> >      frame 
        combinations can over come colinearity problems, but> 
        >      it's too> 
        >      sophisticated for most system 
        developers to deal with so I> >      
        won't go> >      there, except to say 
        Clayburg's system does not suffer> 
        >      from the> 
        >      problems I have described 
        above.> >> >> >> >> 
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