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hey, he challenged you..... isn't what he's
saying a great plug for VV... they fudge.... etc. how on earth can you let
someone select stocks to an unknown formula......
let me know if you need any VV
facts.........
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <A
href="mailto:neo1@xxxxxxxxx"; title=neo1@xxxxxxxxx>neo
To: <A href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 5:36 PM
Subject: RE: VV timing
It depends on how you studied their timing. Their published
results do notagree with the calls they made at the time. They fudge their
publishedtiming calls in hindsight to made it look good. Many users have
studied thisincluding myself.Although their timing system is poor it
is the best system for pickingstocks that I have found but you have to
develop your own strategies.-----Original Message-----From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Tom SprungerSent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:09 PMTo: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: VV
timingI have studied VV timing claims and found they do do pretty
well on timingthe market. That isIF/WHEN they make a call, its
right. Sometimes itsobvious though by the time they make the
call. However, they don't do sowell on timing individual
stocks. Their stock timing system is basically a65 day (if I
remember correctlyl) Moving Average with some kind of
magicaccelerator. From my analysis, it comes out to be about the same
as a 50day MA crossover. You can do better with simple trend
lines.Tom----- Original Message -----From: "David DeFina" <<A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <<A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Friday, December 22, 2000 10:10 AMSubject: RE: To MetaStock Re: Portfolio
Tester> Neo:>> I Have a copy of VectorVest, but
haven't been able to find any 3rd party> recommendations on its
usefulness. I didn't want to waste time onsomething> that
doesn't have value. They say they've called every major market
turn> for so many years, but I couldn't tell if that was from back
testing orreal> time? Have you had a good experience with it,
or know of a group of happy> users? Thanks, Dave
D.>>> <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
-----Original Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
Behalf Of neo> Sent: Dec 22, 2000 5:45 AM> To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: To MetaStock Re: Portfolio Tester>> Take a look at
VectorVest.>> -----Original Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of David DeFina> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 6:05 PM>
To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> Importance:
High>>> I second the suggestion of being able to system
test multiple stocks at> once.>> It would also be nice to
run an "expert" report on multiple stocks andhave> a summary page
print with commentaries, etc.>> Dave DeFina> <A
href="mailto:ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ddefina@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
-----Original Message-----> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On>
Behalf Of Bill Irwin> Sent: Dec 21, 2000 12:38 PM> To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator>> How about
making it an option that a user can choose to turn on, or not.I> know
with a 600 Mhz P3 I'd far rather have my Explorations take twice as> long
than spend all the extra time applying attributes after the fact.The>
faster the PC the less impact on the user.>> Thanks for giving us
some faint hope here. While we're at it, any chanceat> all that
we'll see a System test that can work on a portfolio of stocks?> What I
visualize is a stock level report screen that shows the most> profitable
stock from the run. A double click on the stock would take
usto> the current report screen with all the permutations, if
optimization was> used. This would be an excellent way of finding
the stocks that respond> well to a particular System.>>
Thanks again for the input.>> Bill>> >
-----Original Message-----> > From: <A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of PD Manager> > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 9:55
AM> > To: <A
href="mailto:'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'">'metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'>
> Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> >>
>> > J.> >> > Hint taken.> >>
> We have been exploring this possibility for quite awhile. It>
> MAY possibly> > show up in a future version, but I'm making no
promises. The> > problem with> > adding the capability
to manipulate attributes in a formula> > (color, style> >
etc) is that it will slow down the native number crunching> >
capability of the> > formulas.> >> > If we add
this ability to the formula language, it will only> > be done if
we> > can minimize the impact on basic mathematical operation
performance.> >> > Ken Hunt> > Programming
Manager> > Equis International> >> >> >
-----Original Message-----> > From: j seed [<A
href="mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:jseed_10@xxxxxxxxxxx]> >
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:05 AM> > To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> >>
>> > Dave,> > I am completely lost with your explanation.
I know that I can plot a> > multicolored oscillator...green for
increasing and red for> > declining simply> > by using an if
statement to plot or not plot(value zero).> > This works with
an> >> > oscillator simply because I can plot to a value of
zero. I> > can also plot a> > third indicator simply by
adding a moving average into the> > formula. This> > still
requires that I manually select the colors that I> > desire for each
and> > yes I can simply this operation by assigning all of this to
a> > template.> > But...I still cannot assign the color in
the formula which is> > what I thought> >> > the
question was(wouldn't that be nice! Metastock can you> > take a
hint?).> > Beyond this point your explanation has me lost. So...if
you> > don't mind would> >> > you give us some
more detail?> >> > J.> >> >> >
>From: Dave Nadeau <<A
href="mailto:dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx";>dave_nadeau@xxxxxxxxx>> >
>Reply-To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>To: <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
>Subject: RE: Setting colour on a multi-plot indicator> > >Date:
Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:18:50 -0700> > >> > >Bill,>
> >> > >There is a faster way. You'll need to use a
very structured> > approach.> > >> > >Start
with a custom formula with three lines which are> > something like
this:> > >> > >LineA:=<time period one>;>
> >LineB:=<time period two>;> > >LineC:=<time period
three>;> > >Mov(C,LineA,S);
Mov(C,LineB,S);Mov(C,LineC,S)> > >...> > >>
> >You can later change these to OPT1, OPT2, and OPT3 in your> >
system test.> > >> > >Build your next formula based on
the first, and give signals> > for enter,> > >short,
exit, etc. as 1,2,3,4 or something like that.> > >Then a third
formula(Indicator3), based on the second, would use> >
>Barssince(<your long signal>)<Barssince(<your short signal>)
AND> > >Barssince(<your long signal>)<Barssince(<your
exit signal>)> > = 1 for long or> >> > >=-1
for short and =0 for out.> > >> > >Then you can create
a fourth custom indicator based on this,> > the equity> >
>line. This one says, Cum(If(Indicator3=1,Open-Ref(Open,->
> >1),If(Indicator3=-1,-1*(Open-Ref(Open,-1),0).> > >>
> >Now you've got four indicators based on those three variable>
> definitions> > >which are easy to change. You can run an
exploration with> > >this equity line to guage the performance
across a portfolio> > of stocks.> > >> >
>You can write an expert that is based on the formulas and a> >
template. Your> >> > >arrows for exits and entries
as well as the lines> > >themselves will adjust whenever you go
back to adjust those> > three first> > >lines of the
first indicator.> > >> > >You can also run a new
exploration once you've adjusted> > those three values> >
>in the formula. You can do this as many times as you'd> >
>like.> > >> > >I hope this explanation makes
sense. I'm happy to clarify.> > It is quicker,>
>> > >but still has some manual steps.> > >>
> >Dave Nadeau> > >Fort Collins, CO> > >>
> >12/20/00 10:53:21 AM, "Bill Irwin" <<A
href="mailto:Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx";>Bill-Irwin@xxxxxxxx> wrote:>
> >> > > >Thanks Frans & Steve for the
suggestion. Maybe if I'd more fully> > >explained>
> > >what I'm doing perhaps another method is available, and>
> would be better.> > > >I'm working on a System that's based
on this triple plot.> > I'm going to> > >be> >
> >optimizing the values of this triple MA and, after the> >
test, observe the> > > >most profitable scenario.> >
> >> > > >What I'd really like is for the System tester to
plot the> > triple MA (in 3> > > >colours) along with
the Buy/Sell/Exit signs so that I can> > see the MAs> > >
>crossing at these triggers. As it is, it appears I'll> >
have to apply the> > > >Triple MA Coloured Template, then adjust
the lengths of> > the MAs to match> > >the> >
> >winning System (after digging into the winning System to> >
see the values> > >of> > > >OPT1/2/3 in a window
that can't be sized to avoid the> > extra step and time>
>> > >of> > > >scrolling). This doesn't
make for a speedy review of a> > given System> >
>across> > > >many charts. Of course, having to run the
System test on> > each individual> > > >chart (rather
than on a selection, as in an Exploration)> > is what really>
> > >takes the time.> > > >> > > >If
there's a faster way of doing this, please advise, and> > thanks
again.> > > >> > >> > >Dave
Nadeau> > >Fort Collins, CO> > >> >
>> > >> >
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